Talk:The Kids' Cookery School

Merge and un-merge discussion

Hi Lightburst and 7&6=thirteen (☎). Thank you for your message on my Talk page and ping at Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron_–_Rescue_list#The_Kids'_Cookery_School. I have undone the merge. The reasons why I did it are:

1. The closer commented that "the coverage is clearly overlapping, and arguments for standalone notability become weaker when there is a closely related subject with overlapping coverage." I think that having one article rather than two would give a stronger basis for showing notability.
2. The guidelines for notability for organisations WP:ORG are much stricter now than when the page was created (they were revised last year). They now require that "each source needs to be significant, independent, reliable, and secondary. Then, there must be multiple of such qualifying sources." WP:ORGDEPTH goes into more detail.

For people, it is possible to invoke WP:BASIC: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; [though] trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability." This person is an author, with some reviews of her books; she has received an award, which though it doesn't establish notability can contribute to it; and there is coverage of her and her work. It seems to me that an article about the founder is more likely to be able to establish notability.

1. The closer also said "no prejudice against immediate renomination". I hoped to avert that by making the article about Fiona Hamilton-Fairley stronger with the information and sourcing from the article on The Kids' Cookery School.
2. In the deletion discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Kids' Cookery School, four editors suggested Merge into the Hamilton-Fairley article. Corn cheese voted Merge/Redirect; Lightburst voted Keep or merge; I voted Merge; and 7&6=thirteen (☎) voted Keep, or WP:Preserve would dictate a merger.

In the deletion discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiona Hamilton-Fairley, only one editor, 7&6=thirteen (☎), mentioned Merge as an alternative to deletion. Lightburst and I voted Keep, and two editors (the nom HighKing and one other, Johnpacklambert) voted Delete.

Therefore it seemed to me that there was a stronger basis in the votes, as well as when considering the Notability criteria for people vs organisations, for merging The Kids' Cookery School into Fiona Hamilton-Fairley rather than the reverse. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Agree An excellent summary. I agree that this topic does not meet the notability guidelines by any stretch and I also that there is a stronger case to be made for the Hamilton-Fairley article. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
• Support redirect and/or merge No reason has been given not to merge except an implied WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is not a valid reason to undo an already-explained editorial action. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC) (edited 14:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC))
• Merge RebeccaGreen you are one of the most diligent and thorough editors that I have come across on the project. I think the surprise of seeing a merge/redirect with no discussion was a bit surprising. I am not surprised to see Hijiri 88 has continued his following and harassing behavior: smack-talking with nonsense like WP:IDONTLIKEIT which has zero to do with this discussion. Merge like all else here usually happens with a consensus. I am sure another ivoter with an actual interest beyond non-collegial following will be along soon, and then we can close this discussion. As I said it was only the surprise of of finding no discussion after the AfD closed. Much respect to RebeccaGreen for self-revert and discussion. Sorry for the wasted time, and sorry that you were subjected to undo friction from pests. Lightburst (talk) 13:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

So, you're not going to stop talking about me and engaging in personal attacks (like you did here) despite your promise of a voluntary two-way IBAN that I have thus far stuck to diligently? (I came here because the discussion at ARS, and actually you.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply Thank you for the compliments, Lightburst. It was not a problem at all unmerging and setting out my reasons - I probably should have done that in the first place (although WP:BRD is what we're doing!) I would like to say, though, that I do not feel that I have been subjected to any friction or pestering - merger discussions are open to anyone, as are article edits. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2019 (UTC)