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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 17:13, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Panini! (talk). Self-nominated at 19:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Joy of Music (album); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

  • Comment: I hate to be that guy, but your sources don't refer to "marijuana", which is an old term that has problematic connotations. The sources refer to "weed", which we accurately and precisely refer to as cannabis per the best, neutral sources. The only major sources that continue to use the old term "marijuana" are primarily anti-drug, government sources that have been criticized for their inaccuracy. We have a brief history of the word in the article Marijuana (word) that briefly explains why the word is a problem and why the term "cannabis" is preferred. Viriditas (talk) 20:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Viriditas! This is not me stretching the truth, I actually just know nothing about drugs and gave it my best shot. I've changed the term above. Panini! • 🥪 20:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will do a review. Viriditas (talk) 20:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Panini!: A few things stand out: the most interesting thing about this hook isn't in the hook. Per your article, Rector wanted the song to be "clean", and Snoop's team agreed to that, but Snoop still threw in a lyric about cannabis. While we don't know why he did this after agreeing to add clean lyrics, I think it's safe to assume that it was a reflex for him and likely unintentional, as cannabis is a part of his identity. Putting all that backstory aside, your article says Snoop agreed with Ben's wish to cover the drug reference with vocals (Ben's vocals?) Now, that is the most interesting thing about the hook, not the reference to cannabis. Figure out an ALT3 if you can. Word it however you want. Example: "...that Snoop Dogg originally rapped about cannabis on the song "Sunday", but Ben Rector sang over it to keep the song clean?" That's super interesting to me. However, Snoop Dogg singing about cannabis is not interesting. He's done it tens of thousands of times. Viriditas (talk) 21:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Viriditas, that is a very fascinating way to look at this that I never considered. I was approaching this from Rector's perspective, because that's the nature of the article. You're totally right when it comes to viewing this from a general reader perspective, though.
    • ALT3: "...that Snoop Dogg originally rapped about cannabis on the song "Sunday", but Ben Rector sang over it to keep the song clean?"
    • ALT3a:"...that Snoop Dogg's original lyrics about cannabis for the song "Sunday" were sung over by Ben Rector to keep the song clean?"
Panini! • 🥪 21:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Review: Moved from draft to main space on 26 October. Article is new and long enough. QPQ completed. Earwig returns mostly false positives, but I rewrote one line. Everything looks good except for minor issues with prose which I have attempted to address. I rewrote the first two sentences of the background section because I found them confusing. Also, it might be helpful to figure out how to link Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the music industry into the background section, particularly the prose which says The Old Friends Acoustic Tour "was officially cancelled". It would also be helpful to add an entry to the aforementioned article. One other thing I want to bring up: you write, "The circumstances [of the pandemic restrictions] led Rector to feel free to fully focus on the creative process of the music, since the pandemic led to a lack of deadlines and other responsibilities to deal with... Rector found that the experience helped him rediscover what he enjoyed about music in the first place, and looked on the project as more of a hobby than his job". This idea of the pandemic as a double-edged sword for artists, where the restrictions both impacted their livelihood and income, and yet also increased their creative output and led them to more fully investigate and discover and produce, is partially covered in the "New creative works" section of Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the arts and cultural heritage, so perhaps it could also be linked here if possible, and I think could also lead to the creation of a new article in the future. I also think you could add another hook building on ALT2, noting that in spite of the lockdowns, the pandemic helped Rector's creative process. I find this most fascinating of all the potential hooks. I realize you already have a pandemic hook but you don't say anything about his creative process. Finally, I didn't see anywhere where you linked to COVID-19 pandemic in Tennessee since you mention Rector's quarantine several times (if that's where he was at). Pass all hooks, but prefer ALT1, ALT2, and ALT3, however I will also favor approving new pandemic hooks per the above regarding how the pandemic inspired Rector's creative process . Good work. Viriditas (talk) 22:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks for the detailed review and article copyedit, Viriditas! These are very good articles to link, but I didn't want to "hide" them amongst the "was cancelled"s as I want to encourage people to click through. I put them in a new "See also" header instead. Panini! • 🥪 23:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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