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As per a previous edit that was added, it is not in that Toho book. Please do not add content without a source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tsuburaya's involvement - relevant??

Are you serious? You don't think the fact that Eiji Tsuburaya did the special effects for this film is relevant? This whole wikipage has been cut down to a bare bones, empty page with almost no info on it. Now you want to delete Tsuburaya's involvement from the entry as well? And he's one of the most famous FX technicians in the Japanese film industry to boot! If the name of the special effects director of an Invisible Man movie is not relevant, why even have a page on this film at all? I don't get it. Why tag a fact like this as not relevant?? Plainly out of spite because I contributed the information.68.129.15.71 (talk) 21:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, you just happen to contribute the same trivial information over and over again. If people don't know who he is, then just saying he did this isn't important. It requires context. What did Tsuburaya do on this film? Was their any innovation in the special effects? Look at an article like I Vampiri which shows Mario Bava's contributions to the special effects. If that information did not go beyond "he did the special effects" then I would leave it. You have to find a source that explains why his contributions were important, otherwise, its about as relevent as mentioning a script girl (maybe it was the script girl who worked with Kurosawa on all his major features!) but without context, it adds little to the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:16, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong title for this wiki page

This film was called "The Invisible Man" in Japan when it was released, not "Invisible Avenger". I have no idea who put this film's wikipage under "Invisible Avenger", but it's incorrect. The title of this page should be either "The Invisible Man (1954)" or if you prefer, "Tomei Ningen", one or the other.
"The Invisible Avenger" was the title of a 1958 American crime drama featuring the Shadow (starring Richard Derr), which was years later reissued as "Bourbon Street Shadows". The Toho film was simply referred to as "The Invisible Man" in Japan, that's what "Tomei Ningen" means.68.129.15.71 (talk) 16:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. I'll double check sources at home. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Toho film, this 1954 film had only one title ever, and that is "Tomei Ningen". It was never distributed to English speaking countries because it was never dubbed nor subtitled. "Invisible Man" is simply the translation of the words Tomei Ningen, but it was never distributed anywhere under that title. But referring to it as "Invisible Avenger" is TOTALLY bizarre! It's only listed on imdb.com under that title and, (much as I love imdb), it is incorrect. Who came up with that title at imdb? Someone must've confused it with the Richard Derr movie from 1958. I thought you wikiguys don't use imdb info that isn't sourced?? Here's one time where you let it slip through. 68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Normally, the 2 Daiei films would be called "Invisible Man" as well, since they use the words "Tomei ningen" in their titles, but Daiei specifically called these two films "Transparent Man" in the international titles of both films. Daiei specifically released them internationally as "Transparent Man" movies, not "Invisible Man". These are not just my translations, they are the actual international release titles. (I don't profess to know if they were ever shown theatrically in the US, but they did create international titles for the two films, so at the very least they were INTENDING to release them outside of Japan.) 68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According to Galbraith IV's 2008 book, he titles the film as Tomei ningen with a rough translation as "Invisible Man" but notes it official English title as The Invisible Avenger. Which is currently the article title. Its on page 107 of his book. I see no reason to change it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No English version of the film was ever made, so how could the "English title" be "Invisible Avenger"? How is that possible? It was never released in English anywhere, not even subtitled. Perhaps the people at Toho planned to call the English dubbed release that, but they never went ahead with producing an English language version. So "Invisible Avenger" was just a title they may have discussed using? You will not ever find a print of this film that is titled "Invisible Avenger". So that wikipage should really be changed to just Tomei Ningen. It's currently listed under a title that the film was never distributed under.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All interesting theories but I have already shown you the source using the English-language title on your talk page. As for your "never released in English anywhere", the most recent source says that any American release is undetermined. (also on your talk page). Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well since he uses it in his book, I suppose that is a source that shows at least somebody using it, but since the film was never dubbed in English or shown anywhere under the title "Invisible Avenger", that still makes it incorrect. Again, just because some fact is in a book doesnt make it accurate. If the Japanese had released a print of this film with the "Invisible Avenger" title on it, it would still most likely exist, and I know for a fact, only one version of that film exists, and it's in Japanese without subtitles. and it's called Tomei Ningen. By listing it on wiki as "Invisible Avenger", you're implying it was released under that title, when it was not. It is an outright error, and some day you'll realize I'm right. I do believe however that Toho executives INTENDED to release an English dubbed print someday, and they may very well have planned on calling it Invisible Avenger, but.....they never went through with it. So if there's any truth to it at all, it's that it was a planned release title that never materialized. That would make it a "working title" maybe? But it shouldn't be on wiki at all, unless you list it as a working title maybe? I'm only saying this in the interest of accuracy.68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:OR and WP:VERIFIABILTY (and check out WP:NOTTRUTH too). heck maybe even check out WP:NOTLISTENING too.) You are reaching conclusion based off not even your own research, but what seem to be your own pet theories. The book states this as the English title, and as I said above, films from Asia often have English titles along with their own. Book clearly states this as the English title. And there is no guarantee it was never released in the United States from modern sources. If you have only pet theories to suggest, be my guest, but its not going to change the article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:17, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]