Talk:The Holy Science

Someone who is familiar with this book -- PLEASE explain which Hindu sutras this book translates + discusses! It's a major, major omission from the book itself. The sutras are not Patanjali's. They must be some other branch of Yoga.

The book itself states that they are slokas. Someone wrongly edited the article here to sutras. They clearly are not Patanjali. In the forward, Sri Yukteswar quotes from Manu, and says that he describes "in his Samhita these Yugas more clearly in the following slokas..." followed by the slokas from the Samhita. But the source for the slokas in the main body of the book are not given by Sri Yukteswar. It would probably take a Sanskrit scholar knowledgeable with slokas to answer this question. ॐ Priyanath talk 17:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Primary source: I discovered this passage in a Bengali book translated into English, which is a biography of Sri Yukteswar. http://web.archive.org/web/20070228104314/http://www.yoganiketan.net/sriyukteswar/sriyukteswar.pdf This suggests there is no source for the sutras/slokas but that SY created them himself. This could be used in the article.

Quote: One night at an auspicious time, he meditated upon the blessings of the spiritual lineage, especially the beneficent wish, directive and encouragement of Paramgurudev, and while going through the process of analyzing the essence of the spiritual treatises of the east and west, he arrived at a framework of the substantial elements for the composition of the new book. He began to create Sanskrit sutras based on the unifying conclusions of eastern philosophy and sadhana, and alongside those sutras, he wrote down the corresponding western spiritual material that expressed the same understanding, using quotations from the Bible and explaining their underlying meaning in English. Swamiji Maharaj's disciples, Howrah's prominent barristers Sri Narayan Chandra Ganguly and Sri Nilananda Chattopadhyay Mahasaya especially helped in the writing of the English part of this book. The name of the book became "Holy Science" or "Kaivalya Darshanam." From having had discussions with His Holiness Swamiji Maharaj, I came to know that some of the gist of the previous book in French was in this "Kaivalya Darshanam." The publisher of "Kaivalya Darshanam," who was a disciple of Maharajji and an executive of Sadhu Sabha, as well as a landlord of Bhandarhati and a native of Khidirpur, Roy Atul Chandra Choudhury Mahasaya wrote in the dedication section: "This Book is the true Philosophy of Religion. It was compiled...to establish the truth that there is an essential unity in the basis of all religion,...the teachings of the Bible itself...are perfectly non-sectarian. To show that the Holy Bible wholly teaches pure Sanatan Dharma, the Eternal Religion of the Indian Sadhus, I have collected these parts and published it in book form so that the religious public may not be misguided by the mistaken ideas of sectarianism which we think is the curse of Religion in its true sense. "The Sanskrit sutras of the book, having reconciled all the different schools of Indian philosophy, will be also a great help in the study of Bhagabat Gita, the highest book in philosophy and theology in the present world."*

• The quoted material is written in English in the original book of

Swami Satyananda (probably copied from the "Holy Science" manually), followed by a Bengali translation. Only some spelling mistakes of English words (the Sanskrit untouched ) have been corrected and some commas have been added. The ellipses were indicated in the original by asterisks. Otherwise, the text is literally the same as what is in the original, including the capitalization of words etc.

I see it that the added remark (about precession) is not repeating the former in a bad way. It makes a useful contribution, since it points out that precession is explained in a different way. I believe this is important, because mainstream orthodox science has no good explanation for precession. Insight in this discrepancy enhances the the understanding of what dwapara yuga is according to sri Yukteswar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martijn du Pre (talk • contribs) 11:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe you mean that main stream science has no explanation that you agree with when you say 'good explanation'. There's quite a difference. Doug Weller (talk) 12:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Dougweller here, and with his removal of the editorializing in the article (which I had also removed once before). ~ priyanath ^talk 15:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Why not add this link: Binary Research Institute [1] in the first place and don'tyou think it is extremely remarkable that sri yukteswar already in 1894 (194 dwapara) mentioned this alternative explanation, that we are talking about here. I personally was fascinated when I first read the holy science and immediately noticed that his expalnation for precession was different. In fact it lead me to Walter Gruttenden and also to J.S. Gordon. and to an interesting blog [2] so if you don't mind I will reset again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martijn du Pre (talk • contribs) 15:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I do mind editors commenting in an article that something is remarkable, that's not encyclopedic. Doug Weller (talk) 16:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Better this way? I removed the phrase "it is remarkable" Martijn du Pre (talk)18:25, 1 september 2008

Astronomical charts

Modern astronomy knows, today, that more than 90% of the solar systems studied so far, are composed of 2 or more stars, that revolve around each other. It is also stated by modern astronomers that, while other stars move in the sky, Sirius is the only one that remains stoped. All astronomical charts of ancient civilizations point to the star Sirius as being our binary. In different civilizations, they all refer to sirius with a name related to the animal "dog", for they undestood it as our "faithful companion" - while other stars follow their rout in the sky, Sirius remains with us, aproximating and departing every 12.000 years. Also, modern astronomy undestands "red" stars as aproaching stars, while "blue" stars as departing stars. All ancient astronomical charts, from Mexico, Egypt, India and China, refered to Sirius as a red star until the year 500 b.C, and as a blue star after that, and in this sense, they state exactly the same stated by Swami Sri Yukteswarji, that the farthest point of our sister star, was in the year 500 b.C, the highest point of Kali Yuga, or the lowest point in the hability of humanity to grasp finer and subtler forces, and after that, we entered the 12.000 years asceding fase of the yugas. The information concerning modern astronomy can be found at USC and UCLA, as well as on the documentary entitled "The Great Year". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.189.112.21 (talk) 12:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. We really don't care what you believe, we care about what we can add to an article following WP policies and guidelines and using reliable sources. Please, use this talk page only to discuss improving the article using reliable sources that actually mention the subject of the article -- that's a must. Don't use it to discuss anything else. Thanks. dougweller (talk) 12:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The Internet Archive

archive[.]org has a copy of the book which ought to be generally available for researchers and to aid discussion of the importance of the content. There is a lot more to this book than this page provides to the casual reader. I have added a link as an item in the External Links section. jmswtlk (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)