Talk:The Goat Puzzle/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 11:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember this... This quiz was the reason that I stopped playing this game for a while.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   In the lead, after the first sentence, summarize the actual puzzle.

   Not done--Kürbis (✔) 10:44, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Uh... Yes I did. It's the lead, so I should add a very short descripiton, without the info on what happened before etc.

1. "Often explained to be considered difficult due to challenging the player in a way different to previous puzzles in the game," - odd wording with much repetition. How about: The puzzle is considered one of the most challenging video game puzzles of all time, because of its unusual difficulty not found in other Broken Sword games

• Sorry, but, nowhere does it say that the difficulty is not found in other Broken Sword games; What the articles say is that there was no puzzle in The Shadow of the Templars before the Goat Puzzle in which you had to react in a short amount of time. I can try to reword it, but not change it to your explanation. :) The sentence is accurate, the only problem was the repetition of "the puzzle", which I've taken care of, so I think it's good now.

• Uhm... unusual means not found in any other games. This time-critical puzzle was previously not found in Broken Sword, thus making it unusual.
• Yes, it was previously not found in Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars, not the Broken Sword series. That's what the sentence says, so, it's good.

• My point is to shorten this phrase as it is awfully long with much information.

Sorry, but that sentence is just a very short description of the game, not long at all.

1. "Revolution Software's point and click adventure game Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars was first released in 1996. " - just linking is not a good idea. I would describe the protagonist, eg what is he doing in this castle. State that he is invastigating a murder. Also why did he go to Ireland? And state that he could not enter the castle as usual but climbed up with a sewer rod.

• I can add a bit info about the game like: "During an invastigation of a mystery regarding the Knight Templar, George obtained a manuscript which consisted of a series of pointer, one of which pointed to a castle in Lochmarne, Ireland..." etc. I shouldn't explain the climbing in the castle with a rod part, as it is not a part of the actual puzzle, and it would make the article to detailed. I did add a little summary, which I believe is good enough. :)

• No, the rod part should be added as clearly important. One sentence is simply not enough. Imagine someone will read this article without knowing anything about this game. You did not state that he is invastigating a murder; which is actually the main plot of the game. Ireland should be linked.

1. Sure, the game starts with the murder but that's far from the main plot. The main plot is finding out about what the bad guys do. This is not an article about the game's plot, but the puzzle. - And too much plot info should be added. Also, why would I add info on the rod? - That is completely useless... Sorry. Also, countries should not be linked, that's what most users say at FACs/FLCs... Oh, and, about the murder, I could add something like "While investigating a murder of an old, mysterious man named Plantard, who was killed by an assassin desquised as a clown, protagonist and player character George Stobbbart finds himself uncovering a dark mystery regarding the Knights Templar. A medieval manuscript which he obtained during the investigation leads him to a castle located in Locharmne, Ireland"... and so on. But, no info on the rod-using part... That's just too much. --Khanassassin ☪ 14:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

   The main plot is the murder, that is what the game is about. He is invasting the clown, and he don't just enter the castle to find a manuscript. You should not add a whole section, but just a few sentence for a good introduction. The rod is useful as he did not just go through the door; it is an unusual way to climb on the top of the castle. I don't see why uncommon countries should be delinked; the reader surely wants to know more about this country, and what others say is irrelevant. Your example sentence is too long... Just state that he is investigating this murder and know needs to move to Ireland to find this manuscript. The name of the murderer is irrelevant, and that he was old and mysterious. Perhaps the rod thing is not so important, but my other points are.

   Uh, he didn't go to the castle to find the manuscript, he already found it before in Paris. However, as you so strongly believe that the info about the rod is important, I added it, and a link to Ireland too. --Khanassassin ☪ 15:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

   I did not play this game for ages, so don't know all parts by heart

   I'm playing it at the moment, and a few months ago I played the Director's Cut version on Android. So, I know. ;) --Khanassassin ☪ 11:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

   "challenging or difficult " i don't see huge differences between those words

   Link CEO

   "have covered the puzzle" what does this mean?

• It's term used if a certain publication wrote an article about the subject, or an article which contains information of the subject (in this case, the Goat Puzzle).

1. "was challenging due to the player not being met with any such "timing critical"[1] " because the player was not met with "time critical"

   Not done; should be reworded as poor English

   Done. :)

   Do not place footnotes somewhere in the text. Put them after commas or periods

   Not done

   All footnotes are after commas and periods

   "by, according to Cecil, being made "more logical in its execution."[6]" - this does not sound great. Perhaps say: with a more logical solution, or something like that

• Well, that is quoted from Charles Cecil, who probably knows the puzzle best, but I can change it if you strongly disagree. :)

• No need to write a horrible sentence only because you want to include some quote. You can easily paraphrase with your own words.

• Done.

1. "Also, in this version, a diary was added, in which the player character would take notes; " This version includes a diary, in which the character takes notes"

   Not done; should be This version includes a diary, in which the character takes notes

   Done

   "was hinted " - could be just "was suggested"

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall: Please do not strike my comments, especially when you claim that you corrected the mistakes.--Kürbis (✔) 10:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

   Pass/Fail:

• Pass short but nice. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 17:27, 15 September 2012 (UTC)