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Reviewer: Chrishm21 (talk · contribs) 17:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alex!! Great job on this expansion, I'll be taking this GA review :)

Lead

..included a date filmed at Sydney Cricket Ground on November 19, 1993 → included the concert that took place on november 19, 1993 at Sydney Cricket Ground ...
The video was originally broadcast as a TV special on HBO in 1993 under the title... Became the channel's most-watched original program of the year. → The concert had previously been broadcast on American network HBO as... became the channel's most-watched original program of the year.
At the 37th Grammy Awards, it was nominated for the Grammy Award of Best Long Form Music Video → At the 37th Grammy Awards, it was nominated for Best Long Form Music Video
A re-release of the video took place in 1998, when it was released in DVD, becoming one of the first music videos to be released in this format → It was released on DVD in 1998, becoming...
- Also, if you're talking abut a DVD re-release you're implying it had already been released on a previous format (VHS, Laserdisc); can you elaborate more on this?

Background

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It was subject of controversy in several countries it visited due to its sexual imagery. Trouble in Israel occurred when Orthodox Jews → It was subject of controversy due to its sexual imagery; in Israel, Orthodox Jews..
In Puerto Rico, while certain groups demanded that the concert should be cancelled, as they feared Madonna's influence over teenagers; she increased the controversy by rubbing the Puerto Rican flag between her legs → In Puerto Rico certain groups demanded the concert be cancelled as they feared Madonna's influence over teenagers; during the concert, she caused further controversy by rubbing the country's official flag between her legs
- I'm having doubts about the term "certain groups" - were they religious groups or what kind of groups? Is there a way to elaborate on this?

Not stated on source.

Initially, Madonna intended to film the tour in Argentina or Mexico → What city/cities in Mexico or Argentina?

Not stated on source.

The only cities the tour visited in these countries were Mexico City and Buenos Aires, perhaps we could specify in these case? If not it's fine.

but she ultimately chose Australia instead → what city/cities in Australia?

Not stated on source.

..influenced by her personal liking for the event being billed as "Madonna Down Under" → ..., as she liked the event being billed as "Madonna Down Under".
The show on November 19, 1993 at Sydney Cricket Ground in Sydney was broadcast in association with HBO. It was aired on November 21, 1993, and was titled Madonna Live Down Under: The Girlie Show. HBO started its broadcast from Club USA in New York City with comments from fans, leading to the concert itself → The show on November 19, 1993 at Sydney Cricket Ground (remove that "in Sydney, as its redundant) was aired on HBO on Sunday November 21, 1993 as Madonna Live Down Under: The Girlie Show .
...Club USA in New York City with comments from fans, leading to the concert itself [...] The program became the company's most-watched original program of the year → The broadcast began at New York City's Club USA and became the network's most-watched original program of the year, remove "comment's from fans" as it's irrelevant.
In 1998, Warner Bros. re-released the video in DVD (see final point from Lead section)

Will continue later on :)

Hey @Chrishm21: thanks for this review, but is it allowed for you to review this? You’re on Madonna’s wikiproject too Alex ^{reach me!} 17:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

For The Hollywood Reporter, the show was a "showcase not only for the superstar's prodigious talents as a singer and dancer, but also for her ability to orchestrate and film an appropriately mammoth production", while according to The New Yorker, it was "great entertainment... [Madonna's] stage presence is a wonder of our times" → The Hollywood Reporter deemed it a "showcase not only for the superstar's prodigious talents as a singer and dancer, but also for her ability to orchestrate and film an appropriately mammoth production". The New Yorker praised the release for being "great entertainment" and highlighted the singer's stage presence as "a wonder of our times".
Dominic Griffin from Variety wrote that "this show was purely for the cameras and the viewing audience at home. Expertly shot with multi-cameras including a crane and an onstage SteadiCam, the show was shot in close quarters, with an occasional pan of the vast audience. [...] After a slow start, the show, which included nine costume changes, never once let up. Madonna showed great energy and amazing stamina throughout". → I would the second sentence ("Expertly shot..") and try to rewrite, perhaps "..and praised the way the video was shot.." I leave it to your consideration.

Didn't understand what you meant.

Heather Phares from AllMusic gave the release four out of five stars, noting that "with crystal clear digital video and sound", the release delivered "dynamic" performances, adding that though the lack of extra features, it was still a "decent presentation of a spectacular, two-hour concert, and worthwhile for fans looking to upgrade from the laser disc or VHS versions" → ...gave the release four out of five stars. Although she criticized the lack of additional features, she praised the video, sound and the "dynamic" performances; she concluded it was a "decent...".
However, she said it was a material that "fans will proudly purchase". → She said it was a release "fans will proudly purchase".
Jeff Gordiner of Entertainment Weekly → change "of" for "from".
...wrote that the concert movie "is the point where shock turns to schlock", elaborating that "sure, it's all done with goosestep precision, but that only makes The Girlie Show as sexy as a swig of Pepto-Bismol" → Wrote that "this concert movie is the point...", and criticized the singer's "goosestep precision" for making it "as sexy.."
At the 37th Grammy Awards, the release was nominated for the Grammy Award of Best Long Form Music Video → At the 37th Grammy Awards, it was nominated for Best Long Form Music Video..
It was certified in another countries, not just the United States, perhaps you can mention, also add in the sales/units as well

Yes, but it was only country where it charted and also received a certification, so I left it that way.

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Charts

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Certifications

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Placing this On hold

And that would be all. I look forward to these changes (which shouldn't be too hard) --Christian (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Chrishm21: see above. Alex ^{reach me!} 00:06, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Chrishm21: I did some modifications on the article, take a look Alex ^{reach me!} 23:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections have been met. The article is neutral, clear, well-written and sourced. Passing article--Christian (talk) 15:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]