Talk:The Getaway (1972 film)

'hindsight'

User:Slightlymad, why would a contemporaneous review be referred to as 'in hindsight'? It makes no sense. Dlabtot (talk) 04:45, 6 October 2017 (UTC) btw, a minor edit, according to WP:MINOR, "is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute".... a revert of another editor is, in itself, a dispute. In the future, please refrain from labelling reverts as minor edits. Dlabtot (talk) 05:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

On her critique of MacGraw's performance, Pauline Kael had the impression that Candace Bergen was the worse actress she had ever seen, until she saw The Getaway and made her feel sorry she called Bergen the worse actress, thus "in hindsight". If you're still uncomfortable with this wording, you may paraphrase it with your own - here's a direct quote from Kael : "Last time I saw Bergen, I thought she was the worse actress, than MacGraw, now I think I slandered Bergen."

Finally, I may be at fault for marking the revision as minor, but you are certainly wrong about posting a new discussion at the top of the talk page. I thought new discussions are posted below it? SLIGHTLY^mad 06:20, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

When I originally posted this using the 'new section' link, it was included in the closed discussion below. [1]. Not sure why. So I moved it here. Based on what you've said, 'hindsight' seems good to me. Cheers. Dlabtot (talk) 16:06, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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Reviews

• Roger Ebert review of The Getaway
• Time magazine's review
• The New York Times review

here are some reviews for the film.--J.D. (talk) 16:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Plot, cast credits and Beyon's brother

Cully (played by Roy Jenson) is clearly the head goon not the brother of Claude 'Jack' Benyon (played by Ben Johnson). When McCoy meets Jack Benyon on the boat after his release Jack Benyon says "any business with me you handle it with him he's m' brother", gesturing to a sinister looking man with heavy features. We get a clear shot of this man who is mustachioed, wears glasses and obviously is Benyon's brother. (See here at 10.29). This character calls the shots; he even kicks Cully exclaiming "Come on!" when Cully doesn't jump to it.( See here at 7.35). Shortly therefter (9.54) he tells Cully "You just do what I tell you" in a very menacing way. The actor playing Beyon's brother seems to be totally uncredited even though he has a more substantial role than Jensen; this is what may have caused the confusion to arise. Overagainst (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Getaway (1972 film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ssven2 (talk · contribs) 09:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I will review this article. Thank you.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 09:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Plot

• "The injured con man and witnesses are taken to the police station" — Who are the witnesses here? The train passengers? If so, then mention that it was the passengers who saw them. Done
• "Carol buys a car while Doc steals a shotgun, leading to several shoot-outs and police chases." — Please do elaborate on this as it might seem a bit vague to those who aren't familiar about the film.  Done
• "The couple escapes by hiding in a large trash bin" — Shouldn't it be "The couple escape by hiding in a large trash bin"? Done
• "while the couple continues on into Mexico." — Shouldn't it be "while the couple continue on into Mexico."?  Done

• Ssven2 I've fixed all of these issues. The plot suddenly became a tad bit bloated, however, from 614 words to 714. So, it's kinda against the 700 word limit as per WP:FILMPLOT. Are there any extraneous words that I shouldn't have used in my revision? Bluesphere 16:14, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Production

• "His first attempt was Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, with McQueen starring alongside Paul Newman, but 20th Century Fox did not want Foster in the deal." — Why? Was it differences of opinion? Does Terrill explain anything about it?  Done
• "The actor was looking for a good/bad guy role" — Is the word "good/bad guy" written exactly like that in Terrill's biography? If so, write it like this: The actor was looking for "a good/bad guy role" and saw these qualities in the novel's protagonist. If not, simply replace that word with anti-hero.  Done
• "McQueen screened Bogdanovich's soon-to-be released The Last Picture Show and loved it." — Did McQueen have a theatre of his own where he could screen the film? If so, elaborate on it. If not, I suppose he attended a screening of the film. Do clarify on this.

• It wasn't McQueen who arranged the screening but Bogdanovich's agent.  Done

• "Peckinpah, like McQueen, was in need of a box office hit" — Was McQueen having a lean patch? If so, just give a little bit more information about it beforehand. Done Added
• "a story set during the Depression about a brakeman obsessed with keeping hobos off his train" — Wikilink brakeman and find something more formal and understandable than hobos for those who may not know the meaning of the word. Done
• "Thompson worked on the screenplay for four months and produced a treatment, with alternate scenes and episodes." — "produced a treatment" sounds vague. Please be a little more clearer.

• I'm not quite sure what is to be done here. Did you want me to specify that it's pertaining to a film treatment?

Changed it myself.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm quite embarrassed that you had to fill me in on this.

Don't be. I am happy to help you through this. After all, that's how Wikipedia should be.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

• "She was married to Robert Evans, who wanted the former model to avoid being typecast in preppy roles." — Source?  Done

• This is supported by page 225 of the Terrill source, based on that diff I cited under the resolved concern about the Soundtrack section below.

• Throughout the filming, MacGraw visibly wore a Love bracelet which had been a gift from Evans." — Source?  Done I'd just remove this on the accounts of being a fluff.

• Yikes! Unfortunately, the entire production section was not added by me, nor do I have a copy of those offline sources supporting it. As terrible as it sounds, I won't be able to address these concerns. I'll have to hear from what you have to say about this before I resolve the other issues.

@Bluesphere: Resolve the other issues first. I'll look into this.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

OK. Btw, you don't have to ping me as this page is in my watchlist. Bluesphere 10:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Music

• "Jones's music had a jazzier edge and featured harmonica solos by Toots Thielemans, with Don Elliott credited for "musical voices". Jones was nominated for a Golden Globe award for his original score." — Source?  Done

• I dug through the older revisions, and this is supported by the source of the next paragraph. I'll just add the ref about the nomination. Here's the diff that proves it's sourced: [2]

Release

• "There were two preview screenings for The Getaway, a lacklustre one in San Francisco and an enthusiastic one held in San Jose, California. The film was the eighth highest grossing picture of the year, making $36,734,619. It also earned $26,987,155 in worldwide rentals." — Source?  Done

• I just rephrase this claim to the movie's box office figures as I couldn't find anything about this info elsewhere. I was lucky enough to find some preview pages of Weddle's bio of Peckinpah in Google Books, albeit missing page numbers. Since the Weddle source in the article is only supporting one claim, I'll just change its Harvard footnote style to plain ones. I'm doing this one in good faith, so hopefully it's okay without the exact pages of this book reference. Here's the link to the book preview. [3]

• The film indeed had two screenings in California according to Terrill. I restored this one.

• The quote borders on WP:QUOTEFARM. Trim/remove the unnecessary ones.  Done

Reception

• Can you present some of the modern reviews in a separate paragraph?  Done

@Bluesphere: That's about it from me. Good job with taking the initiative to bring one of The King of Cool's hit films this far.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:13, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

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   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

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4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

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   No edit wars, etc:

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   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

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7. Overall: Passed, my queries were met and solved by the nominator.

   Pass or Fail:

Congratulations.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 07:48, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your interest in reviewing my nomination. This movie is one of my favorite crime films ever, and McQueen's Doc McCoy certainly checks out. By the time I was confronted with the article's production section, I thought I was done with. But against my expectations, you intervened by searching the offline references, instead of failing me off the bat. Till next time, and best of luck going forward. Bluesphere 09:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Genre

I've changed the genre to thriller because, in accordance with WP:FILMLEDE, several reviews for the movie and its remake have called it such: "A wildly uneven remake of the 1972 Steve McQueen-Ali MacGraw thriller" - Chicago Tribune; "An efficient if somewhat echoing remake of Sam Peckinpah's 1972 thriller" - Time Out; "An exact remake of the 1972 Sam Peckinpah thriller" - Empire; "An effective thriller" - Blu-ray.com; "An above-average thriller" - Reelfilm.com; "A gripping thriller" - Dennis Schwartz. Only two sources say that it's a crime film (Ain't It Cool News and British Film Institute) and an action film (The New York Times and The New Yorker) While others have called it an action thriller (Variety), a "caper thriller" (TV Guide), and a crime thriller (Cinema Crazed), these are considered subgenres of a thriller film, so it makes more sense to call it simply a thriller. Besides, classifying the movie under this genre is less disorienting to readers. Should anyone disagree, I will refer them to this discussion. You've gone incognito (talk ⋅ contribs) 10:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)