Talk:George Institute for Global Health

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Interesting material from World Health Organisation on corporate sponsorship of institute, here

    http://keionline.org/node/758

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I have removed the [[Category:Flagged articles]] from the message above . it was flagged at least two months ago by Some Other Editor, but the current version looks OK to me. ^Avicenna_sis @ 05:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Request to update global ranking reference

This is a request to change the sentence regarding the global ranking of the institute. The new sentence should read "The Institute was ranked among the top 10 research institutions in the world for scientific impact by the SCImago Institutions Rankings (SIR) World Report in 2014.[1]

This edit request is made to update a specific sentence noting the organization's global ranking. Currently the reference is very dated. If this edit could be made it would improve the accuracy of the article. Thank you.

Easel14 (talk) 04:06, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I have changed the article to reflect the institute's 2014 ranking. Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 23:56, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Update and new information

Hi, I work for the George Institute for Global Health. This page is very out of date so I'd like to propose the following expansion. It updates the statistics and expands the content to make it more useful to readers. Citations for all new facts are included, and the citations already in the current version of the page should be carried over to this new version. Please let me know if this is acceptable:

Edit request denied - a year has passed, and the article has changed significantly, with the proposed additions now quite outdated. This won't improve the new article, so I'll just have to close the proposal. Regards, VB00 (talk) 04:14, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Proposed new text

The George Institute for Global Health is an independent medical research institute dedicated to improving global health. It conducts high impact research that targets preventable illnesses and injuries that are the leading causes of death and disability worldwide, including heart and kidney disease, stroke, diabetes, and injury. It is ranked in the top 10 research institutions in the world for research impact by the SCImago Institutions Rankings World Reports and The Lancet called it “one of the world's most renowned global health research institutions” Purpose The George Institute states its mission as “to improve the health of millions of people worldwide” . It conducts research in more than 50 countries, with bases in Australia, China, India and the UK. Its global network conducts research that provides healthcare solutions for hospitals, clinics and medical facilities serving millions of people around the world. With a specific focus on the Asia Pacific regions, it works to identify effective and affordable prevention and treatment strategies, and to strengthen health systems for disease and injury control through: Large-scale health research that provides the best possible evidence to treat the leading causes of death and disability Engaging with partners and decision makers to make changes to improve health outcomes, particularly in resource poor areas Building capacity among health professionals, healthcare providers and education for communities to ensure sustainable health outcomes Research outcomes and activities Since 1999, The George has invested over $550 million across 50 countries. With over 500 staff globally, it collaborates with some of the world’s leading universities, health professionals, hospitals and governments. Areas of expertise include: Chronic diseases, such as heart disease, kidney disease, diabetes and stroke Injury prevention, including road safety, falls prevention and frailty management in an effort to avoid disability Examples of The George Institute’s work include: A study of 3,200 foods found gluten-free foods are no healthier than non-gluten-free foods for people without Celiac disease or other relevant conditions. A large scale study of 4 million people in the United Kingdom confirmed that people with high blood pressure have a much greater chance of developing diabetes. A study of 380,000 births in six countries found the incidence of childhood cancer rises with higher birthweight. Foodswitch, a consumer smartphone app that scans the barcodes of food products to get nutritional information and suggest healthier alternatives. In March 2015 Foodswitch had been downloaded over 500,000 times in Australia. Foodswitch has also been released in New Zealand, United Kingdom, South Africa and India. In New South Wales, Australia, The George worked with other health groups to encourage McDonald’s to comply with local fast food labelling regulations. In Australia, The George joined with over 30 other health and community groups to lobby the federal government for healthcare reform and increased funding. In 2015, The George partnered with The International Society of Nephrology, Farrell Family Foundation and the Asian Pacific Society of Nephrology to offer US$100,000 to anyone who could design an inexpensive dialysis machine. A study found success with using smartphone apps to help manage cardiovascular disease in rural India, China and other areas with limited resources and access to traditional medical services. A successful education program aimed at reducing the amount of salt eaten by people in China. A partnership with UNICEF and University of Oxford to train journalists in India about health reporting. The George has had major scientific outputs in publications including The Lancet, The New England Journal of Medicine, PLoS ONE Journal, Heart (formerly British Heart Journal)and more. Structure Founded by Professors Stephen MacMahon and Robyn Norton, The George is affiliated with the universities of Sydney, Peking, and Oxford. It is currently chaired by Mike Hawker AM and its board members are business and scientific leaders in both Australia and internationally. The George employs world-leading scientific experts and has an enviable research track record. It is one of only three academic research organisations (ARO) accredited to run clinical trials, which ensure unbiased rigor and improved ability to disseminate findings, with the other two AROs being the University of Oxford in the UK and Duke University in the USA. References

Ktr183 (talk) 04:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Ktr183: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! This is a good start, but there are a few improvements I'd like to see before it goes live:

1. Not everything is sourced. Any claim that doesn't have a source and isn't obviously true needs to be either cited or removed.
2. There is some promotional language in there. Things like "high impact research" and "the world’s leading universities" should be things like "research" and "universities" (or you could perhaps list specific universities).
3. There is quite a bit of business-speak in there. Things like "Engaging with partners and decision makers" and "effective and affordable prevention and treatment strategies" need to be replaced with plain English.
4. There is too much reliance on bulleted lists. We usually prefer to put things like that in prose.
5. As the institute is based in Australia, it should use Australian English. For example, it should be "rigour", not "rigor". (Although "unbiased rigor" probably falls foul of point #2.)
6. References go directly after punctuation, with no space.
7. Finally, it would be nice to have citations that list titles and publishers instead of just bare URLs. There's a guide here you can use.

The bottom four would be nice to have, but the top three are essential. Let me know if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to help. :) Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 05:49, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Update and new information: response to feedback

@Mr. Stradivarius thanks so much for the feedback on 5 Feb 2016. Please see the updated version below in response, hope this is better and let me know if any further changes needed:

Revised proposed text

The George Institute for Global Health is an independent medical research institute with a focus on improving global health. It conducts clinical research that targets preventable illnesses and injuries that are the leading causes of death and disability worldwide, including heart and kidney disease, stroke, diabetes, and injury.[2] It is ranked in the top 10 research institutions in the world for research impact by the SCImago Institutions Rankings World Reports [3] and The Lancet called it “one of the world's most renowned global health research institutions”.[4] Purpose The George Institute states its mission as “to improve the health of millions of people worldwide”.[5] It conducts research in more than 50 countries, with bases in Australia, China, India and the UK. Its global network conducts research to improve healthcare solutions for hospitals, clinics and medical facilities.[6] With a specific focus on the Asia Pacific region, it works to improve health care and medical practice through large-scale [7] [8] health research [9] that provides the best possible evidence to treat the leading causes of death and disability. Research examples and activities Since 1999, The George has invested over $550 million across 50 countries. With over 500 staff globally, it collaborates with universities, health professionals, hospitals and governments.[10] Areas of research include: chronic diseases such as heart disease[11], diabetes[12] and stroke[13]; and injury prevention, such as falls prevention.[14] Examples of The George Institute’s work include: A study of 3,200 foods found gluten-free foods are no healthier than non-gluten-free foods for people without Celiac disease or other relevant conditions.[15] A large scale study of 4 million people in the United Kingdom confirmed that people with high blood pressure have a much greater chance of developing diabetes.[16] A study of 380,000 births in six countries found the incidence of childhood cancer rises with higher birthweight.[17] Foodswitch, a consumer smartphone app that scans the barcodes of food products to get nutritional information and suggest healthier alternatives. In March 2015 Foodswitch had been downloaded over 500,000 times in Australia.[18] Foodswitch has also been released overseas in countries such as India.[19] In New South Wales, Australia, The George worked with other health groups to encourage McDonald’s to comply with local fast food labelling regulations.[20] In Australia, The George joined with over 30 other health and community groups to lobby the federal government for healthcare reform and increased funding.[21] In 2015, The George Institute, The International Society of Nephrology, Farrell Family Foundation and the Asian Pacific Society of Nephrology ran a competition where US$100,000 was offered to anyone who could design an inexpensive dialysis machine.[22] A study successfully used smartphone apps to help manage cardiovascular disease in rural India, China and other areas with limited resources and access to traditional medical services.[23] A successful education program that reduced the amount of salt eaten by some families in China.[24] A partnership with UNICEF and University of Oxford to train journalists in India about health reporting.[25] Three George Institute researchers were included in Thomson Reuters World’s Most Influential Scientific Minds 2015 report.[26] Research from The George Institute has been published in The Lancet,[27] The New England Journal of Medicine,[28] PLoS ONE Journal [29] Heart (formerly British Heart Journal)[30] and more.[31] Structure Founded by Professors Stephen MacMahon and Robyn Norton, The George is affiliated with the universities of Sydney, Peking, and Oxford.[32] As of 2016 it is chaired by Mike Hawker AM and its board members are business and scientific leaders in both Australia and internationally.[33]

Ktr183 (talk) 10:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

@Ktr183: This still reads like a PR piece, I'm afraid. You need to strip out all of the peacock words and in general stop trying to make the organisation seem like some magical solution to all of the world's problems. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 02:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Update and response to feedback 2

@Mr. Stradivarius Thanks for your feedback and I'm so sorry for those issues. Obviously I'm still learning what is acceptable and what isn't, but I definitely want to and will comply with all the rules. I've stripped the proposed text right back to basics, please let me know what else I should do:

Revised proposed text

The George Institute for Global Health is a medical research institute that conducts clinical research targeting preventable illnesses and injuries. The Lancet called it “one of the world's most renowned global health research institutions, with more than 500 staff in Australia and in centres in China, India, and the UK”. [34] Research The George Institute conducts large scale research in areas such as: heart disease;[35] diabetes;[36] stroke;[37] injury prevention;[38] food and nutrition;[39][40] childhood cancer;[41] dialysis;[42] and the use of mobile technology in healthcare.[43] Research from The George Institute has been published in journals such as: The Lancet;[44] The New England Journal of Medicine;[45] PLoS ONE Journal;[46] and Heart (formerly British Heart Journal).[47] Thomson Reuters included three George Institute researchers in their World’s Most Influential Scientific Minds 2015 report.[48] Structure Founded by Professors Stephen MacMahon and Robyn Norton in 1999, The George is affiliated with the universities of Sydney, Peking, and Oxford.[49]

Ktr183 (talk) 06:00, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Making uncontroversial edits

Hi. I disclose I am employee of The George Institute. I made a few changes that I believe meet the definition of uncontroversial edits. They were: updating the logo, URL, number of staff as of 2017, amount of money raised as of 2017, and university affiliates. I believe these are within the rules but happy to discuss if there are any concerns. Ktr183 (talk) 02:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ktr183. Thanks for your edits which were relatively benign. Thank you for disclosing your position. I have made some further edits to tone down some of the self-serving language in the article and to improve some of the references. The use of primary sources is not ideal and I would encourage you to seek third party sources as much as possible. Cheers and thanks again. Rangasyd (talk) 12:03, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

File:George Institute.png

Hi, Rangasyd. You reverted the reinsertion of the old logo, which I relicensed as free only in the US. How would this logo be ineffective to increase readers' understanding of the subject? --George Ho (talk) 05:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi there George Ho. Thanks for the quick response. Wikipedia is not a repository of old logos, etc. The current logo is pictured in the infobox and adding an old logo doesn't substantially increase readers' understanding of the subject, and the part that you left out, usually by directly depicting people, things, activities, and concepts described in the article. The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central. I believe that the inclusion of an old logo is not central by adding value to the article. Perhaps it may be relevant if the new logo was substantially different from the old logo and the organisation had a history spanning many years and where the existing logo had significant global presence. Examples in my mind where it is relevant to include former logos are like when Coke changed its bottle design (not directly related to logo, but significant); and when BHP and Billiton merged to form BHP Billiton, and now rebadging itself as BHP; the plethora of British Telecom/BT logos; the evolution of EY logos; etc. I hope that helps you understand why I came to my view. Cheers; and happy editing. Rangasyd (talk) 05:41, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, Rangasyd. I guess I'll never use logos to make Wikipedia a repository in the future then. I'll ping AussieLegend, who uploaded the old logo, and ask whether he's okay with the deletion of the old logo. --George Ho (talk) 05:46, 11 June 2017 (UTC); oops, my bad. 17:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

I didn't upload the file, I just reduced it in size to comply with WP:NFCC. The file was originally uploaded by Tone.itdown1901, who was indef blocked in August 2012 for sockpuppetry. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Disclosing identity and affiliation to TGI and benign direct changes made to TGI Wikipedia page.

Hi. I disclose I am an employee of The George Institute. I recently made a few changes that I believe meet the definition of uncontroversial edits, but I did not fully understand Wikipedia’s protocols for disclosure, so I’m contacting you now. I’m sorry for the confusion. The changes were: updating the new Board Chairman and the number of staff as of 2020. I believe these are within the rules but wanted to confirm in case these require any details or raise any concerns. TGIdigital (talk) 07:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Requesting or submitting additional changes: on 12 August 2020

1) Please remove old SCImago ranking towards the end of the first paragraph ‘It is ranked in the leading ten research institutions in the world for research impact by the SCImago Institutions Rankings World Reports.[2]’ with a new ranking:

The George Institute for Global Health is ranked as the top independent research organisation in Australia by Times Higher Education.

2) Please replace the first line of the last paragraph under Activities section ‘Founded by Professors Stephen MacMahon and Robyn Norton, the George is affiliated with the universities of New South Wales,[1] Peking, and Oxford;[13][self-published source?] having previously been affiliated with The University of Sydney between 1999 and 2017.[1] With:

Founded by Professors Stephen MacMahon and Robyn Norton, the George Institute is affiliated with the University of New South Wales, Peking University Health Science Center and has a collaboration status with Imperial College London.

References

Following up on content update submitted above on 12 Aug 2020

Hi team,

Just wanted to follow up if the above-submitted changes can be reviewed and made on the page, please.

TGIdigital (talk) 08:14, 20 October 2020 (UTC)