Talk:The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Communists of Poland

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Did you know... that The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Communists of Poland discusses the minority of Polish Jews who became communists and were later "demonized" as part of the Żydokomuna canard?

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Re: "The author, Jaff Schatz, is the Polish-Swedish professor of sociology". There's no evidence that he has held an academic position. See the sources I added to the article. He does not claim this for himself anywhere that I can find. SarahSV ^(talk) 02:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He has been described as a professor of sociology in the review by Tony Judt [1]. Unless we can find a source that is clearly contradictory and states he was never a professor, the claim seems verified by a reliable source. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've already posted several sources that were his self-description, including his LinkedIn. See below. Do you not think he would mention if he had been a professor of sociology?

Schatz's LinkedIn profile says he has been the CEO of Schatz Consulting since 1990 and was a "senior consultant" from 1991 until 2015. The book was his PhD thesis. See "Older doctoral theses", Lund University, Dept of Sociology: Schatz, Jaff. The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Generation of Jewish Communists of Poland (1990). He was described in 2008 as "a sociologist, founder and former director of the Institute for Jewish Culture in Lund, Sweden. He is presently active as a consultant in international business development, culture and society". The Institute for Jewish Culture is or was a part-time group that emerged from JUSIL, the Jewish University Student Club, in Lund; the institute distributes Jewish material to schools, etc (see Morton H. Narrowe in S. Llan Troen, Jewish Centers and Peripheries, 1999, p. 196).
Also here: "Jaff Schatz emigrated from Poland after March 1968. He is a sociologist and historian (e.g. the author of The Generation: The Rise and Fall of Jewish Communists of Poland, UCP 1991), founder and head of the Institute for Jewish Culture (Lund, Sweden, 1974–2003) and consultant/advisor for organizations and enterprises. Dr Schatz defended his PhD dissertation at the Lund University, Sweden in 1990."

SarahSV ^(talk) 02:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe he was a professor for just a few years and does not consider it significant, maybe he has bad memories from that period, maybe, maybe, who knows? Absence of information is not the same as contradiction. Speculation like this is pure WP:OR. Verifiability, not truth, remember? PS. I also found [2]: "Professor Jaff Schatz or our colleague Jacek from Lund, who has already published several papers or sections of his book in Plotkies, read a particularly interesting paper entitled: ‘The world of Polish-Jewish communist mentality and identity – a sketch for a portrait’. The total number of Jewish communists among the Jewish population before and after the war among the million members of the Polish United Workers’ Party were, at most, approximately 10 thousand. The author also reminded us of the reasons why Jews became communists and, alongside discrimination against Jews in Poland, he indicated secularisation and assimilation trends and strong politicisation among the young generation before the war as well as the generation gap."--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Communists of Poland discusses the minority of Polish Jews who became communists and were later "demonized" as part of the Żydokomuna canard? Source: "https://www.cambridge.org/core/product/identifier/S0037677900073587/type/journal_article
- ALT1:... that The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Communists of Poland discusses those Polish Jews who played a major role in the Polish Communist movement? Source: https://brill.com/view/journals/css/25/1-4/article-p410_107.xml

Reviewed: Nature's Fynd
Comment: I am open to more neutral / interesting hooks; I trie to make this one more eye-catching as I've been recently criticized by some, including User:Buidhe (whom I'll ping as maybe he would like to review this) for my hooks being too bland :> --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 04:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I've found that book hooks are best when they are a pun on the title. Maybe something like

ALT2... that a Generation of Polish Jews joined the Communist movement, but was betrayed after the war?

This would require some additions to the article. b uidhe 04:54, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: I'd be a bit careful with this pun, as while the author himself uses it, they are also careful to note that only a small part of said generation did this; most Polish Jews of that time generally supported socialist or Zionist parties. Maybe add "a part of" or "some" in front of your hook? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2b... that part of a Generation of Polish Jews joined the Communist movement, but was betrayed after the war?
ALT3... that part of a Generation of Polish Jews became Communists, leading to accusations that they "masterminded the enslavement" of their country?

I like ALT3 best. b uidhe 05:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: I think 2b and 3 are fine, I'd just add links to related concepts present in my original hooks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed now that potential hooks are set. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

The article was new enough when nominated and is long enough (>4,000 chars), and the QPQ looks good. The article's claims are supported by citations to neutral reputable sources independent of the subject, and what I can access online substantially verifies the claims and quotations. The Earwig tool shows no sign of plagiarism from online sources that I can see. Proposed hook ALT0 was over the 200-char limit, so I've trimmed words to get it under. ALT0 is present and cited in the article, and it's supported by the cited work, and it's interesting enough, introducing a non-expert reader to the "Żydokomuna" stereotype. All looks good to me; this article and hook ALT0 are approved. Bryan Rutherford (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]