Talk:The Edge of Glory/GA1

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Reviewer: Wikipedian Penguin (talk · contribs) 22:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

A quick read of this article tells me that the prose will need to undergo some copy-editing, and the content itself appears to be problematic, where information seems to be repeated and there is confusion surrounding the chronology. A little trimming may be needed, but don't start anything without me telling you what needs to be trimmed. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 23:18, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Starting lead...

I'm not trimming anything at present, I will be copy-editing it. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:10, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Won't be too much needing to be removed. Tell me when I can begin reviewing if you plan to do a copy-edit now. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 09:35, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi WP. I will be taking about three days off. I think its better if you can review. I will do the copy-edits and the changes after I return. Is that fine? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:06, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Starting... Thanks for notifying beforehand. Add this to your watchlist though if you haven't yet. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Lead

• " "The Edge of Glory" is a song by American recording artist and songwriter Lady Gaga, taken from her second studio album Born This Way (2011). " – Singles are taken from albums, whereas songs are directly from them. here you are referring to it as a song.
• " Along with "Hair", it was originally released as one of two promotional singles before the release of Born This Way. " – So "Hair" was also initally a prom. single but was made a single afterwards? Reword.
• " it was announced that it would serve as the album's third official single " – What does an unofficial single look like?
• The phrase "features production from" seems erroneous. Production usually isn't a feature, it's one of the main aspects of a song. "Was produced by" sounds better.
• White Shadow does not produce the song.
• "Recording sessions for the song took place at The Living Room Studios in Oslo"
• " "The Edge of Glory" is a dance song that speaks of the very last moments of living on Earth [life] " – It's not like Gaga's moving to the Moon now, is she?
• " It is notable for the incorporation of a saxophone solo " – MOS:OPED
• " with many deeming " → " who deemed " N Done wrong.
• " The song charted on the top-ten in several major music markets " – No hyphen.
• " The video is notably simplistic in contrast to much of Gaga's previous work " – OPED once again. Watch out for such words.
• " Such dramatic differences include the lack of intricate choreography, lack of back-up dancers, and the use of only one outfit designed by Versace " → " Such dramatic differences include the lack of intricate choreography and back-up dancers, as well as using only one outfit designed by Versace "
• " Gaga has performed the song in several award shows, music festivals and events, each performance being notably different from the other. "
• The infobox only seems to give the recording details of Gaga's vocals, not Clarice Clemens'.
  • What happened to the recording session info? That's important. And once you do that, I'd recommend the first paragraph have the background and chart performance information. The second paragraph should have recording, composition and critical reception, and the third paragraph should have promotional and miscellaneous info, such as the music video, live performances, remixes, covers, etc. In the 3rd paragraph, I'd also like a one sentence summary on the video's synopsis as well, rather than just the difference it has from Gaga's previous videos. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I have yet to review the Background thoroughly, but it looks like it will need some work.

This has been addressed. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Background

• GENERAL ISSUE: The problem with this section is that it doesn't seem to follow a systematic order. Instead, it simply reads as a bunch of interviews/publications giving random tidbits of information, hard to comprehend.

I made the flow better I guess. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

• " "The Edge of Glory" was written by Lady Gaga, Fernando Garibay and DJ White Shadow, while Gaga and Garibay produced it. " – "While" is not the appropriate conjunction to use here. A song can't be simultaneously written and produced.
• It might be a good idea to let the readers know how Stephen Hill got a hold of the song in the first place.
• " with the feeling that one is a champion " – "one" → "he or she"

I couldn't find this one.

Check again. Use the Find function if you use Windows. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

• " Regarding the song, Garibay told MTV News that he felt dance songs mostly start off as ballads, and that is the approach he undertook with "The Edge of Glory". According to him, Gaga wrote the song with the dance environment in her mind. "Yeah, they're dance, but I think the whole thing, too, is that they're songs and genuine to her," he concluded. " – Does not belong in this section. Move to Composition or Reception.
  • Nevermind, didn't realize, its Garibay and not a reporter who's talking. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
• " On May 5, 2011, Interscope sent out an e-mail to several radio stations across "
• " United States stating " → " United States, which stated "
• " "The Edge of Glory" started selling [a] considerable amount "
• " The second promotional single was "Hair", released on May 16, 2011. " – Remove, it is distracting and irrelevant.
• " She said, "My song THE EDGE OF GLORY will be released on itunes tomorrow to begin the countdown to album release! You want to see #TheEdgeSingleCover?" " Not only is this uncited but unnecessary and adds no meaning than what you have already written. Remove.

Recording and composition

• " "The Edge of Glory" is an upbeat dance-pop and electro-pop song. " – Link genres.
• " It is notable for the use of synthesizers executed in a manner highly influenced by smooth jazz " – Take a lucky guess.
• " The song is less electro[nic] and more straightforward pop "
• " with the lyrics—although glorifying risk-taking—is basically more about romance than indivitual inspiration " – Ungrammatical.
• " with her vocals being " – WP:PLUSING
• What's the name and location of the studio?
• " She also requested him to add the sound of heartbeat at the start of the track "
• Is " Contemporary Hit Radio " a proper noun?
• " since Contemporary Hit Radio did not have any song with a saxophone solo, on their song playlists " – Remove comma.
• " So Clemons flew from Florida to New York "
• " She gave him very few instructions about how to play on the song, saying: " → " She simply told Clemons, "
• " Is the "said Clemons" part a typo? Also, this quote needs WP:INCITE
• The infobox says that the song was recorded in 2010 but where is the source to that? This is not even mentioned at all in the article prose. You have to make it obvious in some way that what you are telling is in chrono order.
• " With Rolling Stone, Clemons described how he recorded the saxophone solo with Gaga. In January 2011, Clemons " – Too long of a transition into Clemons' POV. How about: " Clemons told Rolling Stone that in January 2011, he " (You have to tighten the prose) N Made an obvious typo (missing word).
• For a smoother flow, all the sax background should be in one paragraph and have Gaga's vocal recording info in a paragraph of its own.
• " with Gaga's vocals being most exposed over the music " – More NOUNPLUSING
• " clarified the song as a mixture of dance-pop " – Unlink dance-pop.

Critical reception

• It is often better to avoid linking inside quotes.
• " An hour before kicking off the final leg of The Monster Ball Tour, Gaga sent four tracks to Rolling Stone, including "Scheiße", "Yoü and I", and "Hair", to have an advance preview. " – Once you remove the "Hair" fact above, link the song here.
• " Matthew Perpetua wrote a positive review from the song. " – Use colon.
• Try and paraphrase parts of the quote so that you are only quoting the bare opinions and not the facts of Clarence's sax solo.
• " but nevertheless it is captivating and catchy when one listens to it " – Comma after "nevertheless".
• " Jody Rosen from the same publication " Put in a pair of commas around Rosen's description.
• " This single certainly shows a softer side for the star. Her previous two Born This Way releases have been " – This part of the quote can be easily reworded.
• " Natalie Finn from E! felt that whether one chose to read in between the lyrics " – I'm confused on what is being meant here.
• " Elan also complimented Clemons' saxophone addition " – I think this can be connected with the previous sentence with a semi-colon.
• " In another review, Dan Martin from NME " – Dan Martin wrote two reviews?
• " Robert Copsey from Digital Spy commented that the song " – WP:OVERLINK
• What was Slant critical of?
• " Sal Cinquemani from the same publication " – Commas again.

Chart performance

• " In the United States, "The Edge of Glory" debuted at number 31 on the Billboard Pop Songs chart, for the issue dated May 28, 2011. " — Shouldn't Billlboard actually link to Billboard charts and not Billboard (magazine)? N Done wrong.
• " her first ten official singles " — Once again, what's an unofficial single, then?
• " enter the top-ten of the Hot 100 " — No hyphen.
• " with the song rising to number 37 on the Radio Songs chart " → " as the song rose to number 37 on the Radio Songs chart "
• " with overall airplay increasing " and " resulting in the song moving "
• " back into the top-ten of the Hot 100, at number eight " — No hyphen.
• " following the title track from Born This Way " — BTW overlink. N Don't link.
• " It sold another 166,000 digital downloads moving up to number seven on the Hot 100 " — Comma after "downloads".
• " with 26,000 digital downloads sold and entering the Canadian Hot Digital Songs chart at number two " — Doesn't make sense.
• " It was the top debuting song on the Contemporary Hit Radio (CHR) chart of Canada, at number 42 " — Why are you introducing CHR's abbreviation now, when it was supposed to be done in the Composition section, and I don't believe Contemporary Hit Radio should be capitalized.
• " and reached the top-ten of the CHR chart " — No hyphen. I should have said this earlier, but only use a hyphen when the word is used as an adjective, such as "top-ten singles chart".

Background

• " At the BMI Pop Music Awards, Gaga's choreographer Laurieann Gibson said that they are going to film the music video for "The Edge of Glory" soon. " — Wrong tense. I think it would be "would be filming".
• " she concluded by saying her production team were not ready for shooting yet " → " she concluded by saying her that production team was not ready for shooting yet "
• " a doctor role like [in] the American show Dr. 90210 "
• " and a group of military men for scenes involving rifles " → " and a group of military men for scenes that involve rifles "
• " The music video director was confirmed as Joseph Kahn, who had previously directed the music videos for Gaga's 2009 singles, "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)" and "LoveGame", but Interscope Records confirmed that Kahn and Gaga parted ways due to collaborative misunderstandings, and Gaga's creative team, Haus of Gaga, directed the video instead. " — Let us break that sentence up.
• " "did NOT direct Lady Gaga's 'Edge of Glory' video. Lady Gaga did – I don't co-direct. One canvas, one paintbrush. Respect the art. Very simple rule with me." " → Lady Gaga replaced him as the only director: "One canvas, one paintbrush. Respect the art. Very simple rule with me." " (Only quoted the bare opinion) N Not done as shown.
• " The final music video premiered on June 16, 2011 "

Synopsis

• Remove the first sentence because it is redundant when the first few sentences tell the same thing, but in more detail.
• " Her wardrobe throughout the entire video primarily consists of only one outfit which was designed by the late Gianni Versace. The dress consists of a S&M inspired outfit, with heavy gold jewelry[,] and studs on the leather, and vibrant nail polish and lipstick. " — These two sentences need sources because they are slightly trivial.
• " coming from within the windows of the buildings and alleyways "
• " along with smoke billowing out from the drains " → " as smoke billows out from the drains "

I'll see what I can do. I'll probably have some free time on Saturday, so I'll try and make these adjustments. — DAP388 (talk) 01:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Should be done now. — DAP388 (talk) 17:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look, though you seem to have missed a few. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Comment

This is most certainly not necessary, but an image of Fernando Garibay could be included in the Credits/personnel section if others felt it contributed to the article. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

@WP. Whats the status? Is it fine now? Can you strike out the addressed issues? @DAP, many many thanks for addressing issues. @Another, do we even have Fernando's pic? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Have striked out done issues and left ones that are yet to be addressed. Will continue with final sections. I am thinking about copy-editing myself and leaving comments here about any questions I have to speed this up. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 22:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Reception

• The Washington Post quote is too short for a quote box.
• Unlink MTV, Rolling Stone, Slant Magazine, New York Post per WP:OVERLINK.
• Dose is no longer a printed magazine, so it is not italicized. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Live performances

• Do not censor "shit" per WP:NOTCENSORED.
• Unlink Digital Spy.

Refs

• MTV refs do not have their publisher parenthesized because they are not printed sources.
• Template:Cite news is only for newspapers. N Check again.
• Ref 35 - Problematic, according to [1]
• Ref 102 - Error
• RadioScope is down, so nothing to do about that.

Apologies for the delay, but I will surely pass after all unstruck issues are addressed. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 16:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually most of the things are already done, all of them tbh. Just check and decide. Credit goes to the little angel known as DAP. :D — Legolas ^(talk2me) 16:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks to both of you. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 16:36, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow have I had this open for 1.5 months? *Passing.* Ugh, now that dreadful article history updating crap... —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 15:49, 13 November 2011 (UTC)