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Reviewer: Efe (talk message contribs count logs email) 02:12, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Checklist

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Previous review

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  • Main concerns - I have yet to look at the actual prose, but my main concern at the moment are the references. Now, you have an opportunity to explain to me what makes many of them reliable. Usually, for GA, we rely only on highly-reliable sources. Most of these look like fansites/blogs/unofficial sources. Tell me, what makes most of these reliable.
    • Metal.com - what makes this reliable?
      • Being an independent, commercial website with a distinct author makes this reliable. However, I can see that it is not a well known source and may not be ideal. But, the information referenced is all verifiable by other sources and is no controversial, so i see no reason it cannot be included. As the purpose of the article is supplemental to another source, I can remove it if you would like, but I figure that every additional source helps.GroundZ3R0 002 04:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Bryan Stars Interviews - Looks like a blog
      • Is a source run by a single person, though it is a separate domain with commercial sponsors, so I figured it was notable. In addition, Bryanstars has gotten exclusive interviews with bands like Hollywood Undead, Falling In Reverse, and others I can't remember at the moment, so that adds credibility. As such, this is the most reliable source confirming that the band has signed with Epitaph, so it is necessary. This is a fact though, as the album has already been released via epitaph.GroundZ3R0 002 04:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Rock Access - Doesn't establish reliability. Could easily be replaced
    • My Space - This doesn't belong
    • Zobbel should be replaced by OOC
    • Many sources (Billboard) have flaws in the formatting. As a printed work, it should be in italics, as the "work"
    • The list goes on

--CallMeNathanTalk2Me 16:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have not made any changes yet until you evaluate my notes and decide what is the best course of action. If you agree, I will be removing the Rock Access and Myspace refs, and leaving the rest. Reformatting of Billboard will be done with instruction and will find OOC once I figure out what that is. Thanks, GroundZ3R0 002 04:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Second Opinion reviewers

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The nominator, GroundZ3R0 002, posted a second opinion on the GA page to ask another reviewer to assist in completing this review, as the original reviewer is gone for a month on personal leave. Any reviewer who wishes to take over is welcome and may take note of the partial review undergone by Petergriffin9901. GroundZ3R0 002 04:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reviewing the article. --Efe (talk) 04:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


It is reasonably well written.
  • a (prose)
    Generally, the writing has a number of lapses.
  • "who has worked on Blessthefall's album Witness and worked with Radke on Escape the Fate's debut Dying is Your Latest Fashion" be consistent with the tenses. --Efe (talk) 07:42, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After meeting with a few record labels, Radke announced that the album would be released in 2011 by Epitaph Records, Radke's former label with Escape the Fate." This actually is an edited version. When did he announce it? --Efe (talk) 08:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There's so much quoted sentences in the section recording and production. Could you trim or "write" them instead? --Efe (talk) 08:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists)
  • It is suggested you reverse the order of the sections "singles and promotion" and "recording and production". The chronology is broken. --Efe (talk) 04:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's only one producer in the infobox, and then the lead says "alongside former bandmate Omar Espinosa and others as additional producers". --Efe (talk)
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
  • a (references)
  • b (citations to reliable sources)
  • "[Eminem] is someone who has been knocked down and knocked down, and he’s gotten back up again. Time and time again. And he’s triumphed." Direct quotations such as this should have a direct inline inline citation. --Efe (talk) 08:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • c (OR)
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
  • Fair representation without bias
  • Not sure exactly how to remedy this. I was under the impression that a summary of the reception should be added in the lead, and that would require adding the opinions of the reviewers. Any ideas on the best way to remedy this? GroundZ3R0 002 08:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Went ahead and addressed your comments so far, striking out to indicate addressed issues. I left a few questions on points I was unsure about. Also, I addressed all of Nathan's comments in the way I believe he would have agreed to. I'm assuming you were just beginning with a few points at a time and have more to address? GroundZ3R0 002 08:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. When I come back, I will do a another round of review. I might decide then whether to promote the article or not. Thank you.--Efe (talk) 08:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please take note that you have seven days from the time this was put on hold to address the concerns raised. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through the The Drug in Me Is You GA and completed every bullet you've pointed out. A few things: "Tracking", in regards to music, does not have a linkable page, so I left it. I also removed both reviews you did not find appropriate, but now there are much too many positive reviews compared to negative, leaning a bias for an album that got mixed reviews (in my opinion, i've found more negative). How should we resolve this, because I can't find any notable negative reviews. The ones that were on there were the best I believe. GroundZ3R0 002 03:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Allmusic could pass a mixed review. How did you arrive such assumption? --Efe (talk) 13:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh very true. Though it wasn't exactly negative, I went ahead and added it. I find reviews through searching Google news to find the best articles, though they arent always the best. Thats why allmusic never showed to me. The section seems more balanced now, but if you can find any other article I can add it. GroundZ3R0 002 07:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
This for example: Radke said that, "I would think all day, for days and days, [about] what people would want to hear. I would dissect my old album and read all the fan letters and the reasons why they loved my band and why they listened to it. And I wrote about that, but in different ways."
it can be "written" instead of quoting. --Efe (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"But I just have a feeling that record name was about me. They talk a lot of shit." This part could also be written instead of quoting, and the second sentence is not even appropriate for an encyclopedia unless justified. --Efe (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Believe I got all the comma, italicization, inline citation, and over-quotation issues. I feel the recording/production section took a big dip in quality from losing all these quotes but hopefully I'm wrong. Themes are a part of production, because it is the making of the album and fits with that section. I realize a themes subsection would be ideal, but I believe there is too little information on themes to justify a small section as well as it would further disrupt the cohesion of the production section. What do you think? GroundZ3R0 002 07:21, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are at least two paragraphs in that section that are about the themes. Perhaps you could change the section with appropriate title. --Efe (talk) 08:06, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The title, The Drug in Me Is You, came from Radke's past experiences" The unnecessary use of comma aside, the meaning is not clear. The title could not necessarily mean taken directly from his experience (and there's no future experience by the way, so future is redundant). Maybe you mean allude, refers, or something to that effect. --Efe (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reviews really bother me. The review... The review.. The resulting score.. Could this possibly be tighten? --Efe (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "comparing different parts of the same song to Norma Jean, Underoath, and Katy Perry" Did you mean their works? Styles? --Efe (talk) 08:21, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed those. I think my sentence rewording in the critical response helped fluidity of reading. Do you really think having a page of four, small, two-paragraph each sections would be a good idea? It would make the article as a whole look under-written and flat. GroundZ3R0 002 08:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No I wouldn't suggest that. Just need balancing between stub paragraphs and verbose / choppy sentences. --Efe (talk) 08:57, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Other than a few small repetitive words and such, I can't seem to notice any hinges in the section. Examples? GroundZ3R0 002 09:57, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Some of my comments have not been addressed, or if not agreeable, kindly leave points / reasons. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 08:09, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just went through all of your comments and made sure I addressed them all. I did miss your thing about the inappropriate quote, but I just fixed that. The only thing I did not do is one of those quotes, because I did three others so I figured that one could stay. Also, I did not separate the Recording section into themes because I believe it would seriously damage the chronology and quality of the section. Other than those two, which I feel justified in keeping, I believe I have addressed every one of your points. Is there any other things that have not been addressed? GroundZ3R0 002 02:20, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind if I put this on hold for more days days maybe a week? I really have very limited time now for Internet. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 10:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's all good don't worry :) Message me when you come back to it in case i dont notice right away. GroundZ3R0 002 02:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know that I'm still here. I'll visit the page on Sunday. Thanks. --Efe (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Passed as GA. --Efe (talk) 15:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]