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Link to JD Power survey and notes re sources and reliability

I have reinstated this link that was deleted without discussion. The JD Power survey generally supports the conclusions of the Dog and Lemon Guide. The Dog & Lemon guide cites JD Power as a source under the heading "A Note To Car Company Lawyers" on page 2 of the Guide.

The most reliable cars are apparently Japanese brands and this is supported by the independent British consumer group "Which". According to the guide at p58 the top 9 most reliable brands were Japanese brands.

The bottom 5 of 39 included 1 Italian, 1 American, 2 British and 1 French brand.

(NB the edition of the guide from which I have drawn this material was published before Toyota's well publicised brake/accelerator problems in early 2010)

The note includes a statement that there have been no law suits to date. This is in spite of the guide classing many cars as "Avoid Like the Plague" or "Not Recommended".

Other sources noted include: JD Power, NZ Consumers, Institute, extensive Australian consumer surveys, "What Car?" reliability survey, "Consumer Reports", "Lemon-Aid", US NHTSA data, international recall databases, Ralph Nader & Friends, crash research organisations separately listed and extensive files. dinghy (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to Australia Project

This article ought be included in the Australia Project as a new project Motor vehicles in Australia as it is of high relevance to the whole the Australian population and is of high economic, safety and cultural significance. There is already a project for Australian motorsport which is of much lower general relevance.

The economic significance comes as a result of cars reputedly being the second most significant item of expenditure after housing for individuals, the amount spent on running costs and repairs and on modifications and the increasing relevance of climate change and peak oil to the automobile industry.

The safety significance comes from the number of deaths, years of disability, medical expenses and "wasted" GDP caused by road accidents. All pedestrians, passengers and cyclists are potentially going to be affected by the safety characteristics of the cars in which they travel or which hit them (or don't hit them because of higher quality braking systems or better collision avoidance through stability or traction control).

The cultural significance comes from brand enthusiasts, motor sport, vintage car clubs, 4WD clubs, Motoring Associations, the care lavished on cars by many people, the aftermarket modification industry, the blokey mateship culture that often exists around activities based on cars whether it be modifying, tuning, showing, racing, rallying or trialing them. Many older Australians would have done car navigation trials.

(I have also posted virtually this same post on the Project: Australia and Project: Australian motor sport pages) dinghy (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The article reads like an advertisement.

The owner of the site also regularly spams other sites with ads for his site, e.g. in YouTube comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.234.242.160 (talk) 08:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Out of Date Reviews

I have removed the statement "A number of reviews now available on-line (by purchase) are current, however a number are dated, for example the Suzuki Swift review available as at 2016 is a decade old (2006) and has not been updated." at the end of the article. I downloaded the Suzuki swift article and it has definitely been updated since 2006. I can not be sure when it was last updated but it definitely covers the 2011 model. I am unable to access all the reviews as they are paywalled so I am unable to replace this with a correct example and therefore have removed the whole sentence. If anyone finds a decades old review for a new car this can be added back in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:8C:2E49:AD00:E97C:3A1A:3A07:C513 (talk) 11:22, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]