Talk:The Dirty Half Dozen/GA1

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Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 10:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lead: Not sure this is a complete summary of the rest of the article at the moment. While the second paragraph talks about the guest stars, it doesn't really refer that much to the plot. So a brief couple of sentences on the plot of the episode would be a good addition. There should also be some sort of mention of the content in the Visual effects and Filming subsections. The rule that someone told me when I first started working on GAs was that there should be a sentence from each paragraph of the article placed in the lead. While I don't exactly keep to that, it's a good mantra to remember. The chreography work and the arm break are interesting things that could be mentioned here.

We already have a sentence on the plot in the first paragraph, and information on the guest stars' roles in the episode, so I think anything more than that, re the plot, would be a bit of overkill. I've added stuff from the other sections though.

Given the size of the development section and the chronology, I'd simply merge the development and casting sections under the heading "Development and casting". Then slot the sentence under development currently as the second sentence of the new section, and then drop "In March 2015" from the start of the second paragraph (in casting currently) to avoid a repetition.

I don't think you need the line at all saying that the main cast were due to appear - unless it was annouced that one or more were not due to appear, then the expectation would be that the main cast would be in every episode.

It is more so that our readers know exactly who the main cast is, especially since we talk about them throughout the article. I don't think we should force people who don't know this to go to another article, like the main series page, or the season article, just to find out who is playing who, when it only takes a line here.

The way I've seen that in other articles, and I do in my own is to place the actor's names in parethesis and linked following the first mention of their characters. So for example you'd have Skye (Chloe Bennett). I've just not brought it up before as it's not specified in the episode manual of style, but is just something that most of the GA episode articles do by sheer force of habit. Miyagawa (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything you can add to the guest cast list? Anything that the actors have said about this episode, or whether it was the first/last appearance for any of them. Even stuff like quotes regarding character development by the actors would be fine. Just something to break up the list in prose format would be good. I haven't looked, but it'd be great if one of the cast pointed out the Raina irony - that she spent the entire first season looking for a person with precognitive abilities and then became one herself.

I'd stick a Chloe Bennett image in the filming section with a caption that highlights the injury. It's an interesting thing to highlight, and thinking forward it'd be perfect for a DYK hook if you wanted to nominate this there on the basis of a successful GAN.

I now see the relevence of the infobox image from the marketing section. That'll make it qualify as a fair-use image if it didn't already from a movie/television poster perspective.

I think we have it under the same rationale as we do the movie posters that we use in the same way, and the posters for the season articles.

Ratings: Might want to add in that it was "Nielsen ratings indicating a 1.5/5 percent share..."

Further ratings query - how did this compare to other programs in the same time slot, and episodes aired the week before and after this?

Critical response: You've got a few duplicate links in there - at least Face my Enemy and The Winter Soldier.

Citations: Link to Zap2it and TV by the Numbers as well as the one instance of Marvel.com that isn't linked.

You should only put in those templates at the bottom where there is a link back to the current article. So in this instance, you should remove the SHIELD and MCU template, but leave the Agents of SHIELD Episodes one.

I think we decided to keep those ones in, because logically this article would be part of them, if there weren't so many episode articles for the series. So as far as naviation goes, we still think it is appropriate and helpfull for readers to have easy access to those templates from this article, even though this article doesn't happen to really fit in them. That was our though process there, which is why we have those two template on all the S.H.I.E.L.D. episode articles.

It is actually a policy to only include the ones where the links going both ways in a navbox per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL. Miyagawa (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's everything. Placing this one on hold for the seven days, ping me back when you've had a chance to go through those. Miyagawa (talk) 10:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Miyagawa: Thanks Miyagawa, I've gone through and responded to all your points. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:34, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to promote now since one of the remaining points is very minor, and the other isn't a MOS requirement, just a habit of some editors. Miyagawa (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'm going to discuss the template issue with a few other editors, because I do know about that policy and I'm sure they do as well, so I think we had a good discussion about why we should ignore it. Either way, I'll sort it out. As for the main cast, I understand the habit you have referred to, but I still prefer this format. I'll raise the issue over at MOS:TV at the upcoming review and see what everybody else thinks. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:06, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]