Talk:The Death of Captain Marvel

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:40, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 18:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 22:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	I reviewed the top matches found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. No concerns. Matches are titles, names, or phrases acceptable per WP:LIMITED such as "The arrival of Drax the Destroyer" and "Mar-Vell breaks the news to"
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	FUR for the cover image. Starlin image is CC and the Ars moriendi image is CC.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Happy to discuss or be challenged on any of my review comments. @Thebiguglyalien: Please bear with me for a couple of days while I see if I can refer to either the Lewis or Alaniz book for spot-checking; if I can't then I'll AGF on those. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

BennyOnTheLoose, that should be everything. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien: I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria, so I'm passing it. Great work; it's nice to see a decent comics-related article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Plot summary

• Optionally, consider varying the start of paras (Mar-Vell records/Mar-Vell records/Mar-Vell asks)
  • I don't like this either, but I can't think of a way to reword it that wouldn't interrupt the flow.
• I was wondering whether it would be helpful to have brief intros to Thanos, Yon-Rogg, etc in the text, but that might make it awkward to read. I suppose that most readers will assume correctly the type of characters that are mentioned.
  • I added "the villains", which should hopefully be enough context.
• Is it worth adding something about what nega-bands are?
  • For this, I figure "that give him his powers" is sufficient. The full context is that he's a Kree alien and they're technology from his home, but that much detail isn't immediately relevant.

Creation

• The link for Critical Survey of Graphic Novels: Heroes & Superheroes is to Vol 2, but I think the relevant article is in Vol 1.
  • Removed link and specified Vol 1 in the citation. Internet Archive doesn't appear to have a copy.
• "Marvel Super-Heroes #12" - maybe add the year?
  • Added.
• Spot check on did not achieve the popularity of Marvel's other heroes - sources have "Mar-Vell was never a popular character" and "audiences remained ambivalent throughout the 1970s." - consider re-wording as the sources don't make the comparison that almost implies that all of Marvel's other heroes were popular.
  • Swapped "other heroes" for "more well known heroes"
• Spot check on The Death of Captain Marvel follows the events of Captain Marvel #34 and Marvel Spotlight #1–2 - Consider relating these issues to the relevant events from the plot summary. According to the source, "the story is a culmination of events that spanned several issues", i.e. those mentioned.
  • Could you clarify what change you're suggesting? Was there something specific in the source?
    • My point was that they seem to be a continuation of those events, rather than just "afterwards". No change required, and perhaps ging into more plot details would be irrelevant. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
• Optionaly, add a brief description of what the Marvel Graphic Novel line was, including the point made slightly later in the text about the paper quality.
  • I don't want to go too out-of-scope. Ideally the Marvel Graphic Novel article would cover it, but that article could use some more work.
• Spot check on and it creates a dimensional effect by portraying Death and Mar-Vell in the foreground full tone while the other heroes are behind them in half-tone - I think "dimensional" needs to be amended to "three-dimensional" as per the source; unless "dimensional effect" is a phrase I'm just not aware of. Othewise, no issues.
  • Probably a typing error on my part. Fixed.

Themes

• Spot check on The Death of Captain Marvel is about the inevitability of dying and acceptance of death - no issues.
• Spot check on The theme is reinforced by the story's title and cover art, which informs the reader of how the story must end - no issues.
• Spot check on reflecting the growing age of comic book readers - no issues.
• Spot check on the panels grow darker and he embraces stoicism. - no issues.
• Spot check on Many aspects of The Death of Captain Marvel challenge traditional concepts in superhero comic books... - no issues.
• Spot check on The Death of Captain Marvel invokes ideas that were presented in The Death of Ivan Ilyich by Leo Tolstoy, the first major work of death fiction in modernist literature. - no issues.

Reception and legacy

• Maybe add the year for Civil War? There is some inconsistency in whether years are given after titles or not.
  • Added.

Sources

• CBR and Den of Geek are, AFAIK, suitable sources. Looks like there is editorial oversight for Slings & Arrows and The Beat; they seem suitable for the info supported.
• What makes Inside Pulse a reliable source? I was slightly put off by their Work With Us page
  • Yeah, that doesn't look good. Two of its uses were also supported by another source, so no issue removing it. The third use appears to be the opinion of the Inside Pulse author, so I removed the sentence.

Infobox and Lead

• Infobox: James Novak was the letterer rather than penciller.
  • Fixed.
• The date has been amended from "1982" to "February 1982"; I won't insist on a source, but if there is one this could be added into the body.
  • Not having the release date in the body is a huge oversight on my part! I found a source that says January, so I've added that.
• Lead feels a little short. Consider expanding on themes, and adding a brief summary of Reception and legacy.
  • Done.

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