Talk:The Day Freedom Died

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thanks for edit, and a question

Hi User:BuySomeApples! I am relatively new on Wikipedia. Thanks for separating the Synopsis text from the text before it. That shows me how brief the initial text can be.

My question is about the removal of text that was under the heading Research sources, for being poorly sourced. If I reference the pages in the book where the those research sources were given, would that cure the problem? The endnotes are at pages 267-306 and the bibliography (where the document collections in the bullet points are named in the book) is at pages 307-312. Thanks Labbrla (talk) 13:39, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Labbrla: you can expand the lede if you want to, as long as its a basic overview. Most pages don't have a "Resource sources" section, because if that information is important it can either be added to a section on the background/development of the book or its reception. That said, if you have to use the book itself as a citation then it shouldn't be recreated. The page should use independent sources as much as possible, and the book itself rarely or not at all. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:25, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @BuySomeApples: one more question please. Currently the title of this page redirects to the author's page. Is there a procedure to request removal of the redirect so that mention of the book can be linked to this article? Thanks, Labbrla (talk) 12:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the redirect so it will lead to this page now @Labbrla:. That redirect has history so it can't be deleted but it isn't related to this version of the page at all which is why they weren't merged. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again @BuySomeApples: Now I see that on the author's page, in the last paragraph of the Career section, the link for the complete book title (The Day Freedom Died: The Colfax Massacre, the Supreme Court, and the Betrayal of Reconstruction) also redirects back to the author's page. Could you change that redirect as well, or instruct me on how I can do that? Thanks, Labbrla (talk) 00:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done! BuySomeApples (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

curation log question

Hello @Mcampany: - I noticed on my watchlist for this page a reference to the page curation log with a notification that this page was tagged PageTriage. I'm relatively new here. Can you please explain what I need to know about this? Thanks! Labbrla (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Labbrla:! I'm so glad you asked. Basically, that means that a new page patroller has approved your page to be indexed by search engines like Google. Without approval, search engines won't be able to find this article, so it won't show up in their search results. This article was approved because it meets the basic quality standards expected of a Wikipedia article: it is about a notable subject, includes references to support itself, isn't a copyright violation, etc. There's a ton of things that we have to keep an eye out for to maintain Wikipedia as a reference source, and you can read all about the work we do at WP:NPP if you're interested. I think the only thing I'd suggest for future articles is including links to online versions of book reviews so they're easier for readers to find. If you don't know how to do that please let me know. I'm happy to put the url for the Kirkus review in one of your citations as an example. Thanks! Mcampany (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mcampany: Thanks so much for the explanation! And it would be great if you could provide the example. In other pages I have used online links for reviews that I have found online, but have not yet tried to track down online versions of reviews that I found in online databases like EBSCO. Labbrla (talk) 17:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Labbrla:! I put the url in the citation before I really thought through your situation. Databases like EBSCO are a little tricky to cite because even if you use the permalink in the right side bar, not everyone can access the content at that link freely like they can with a regular url. If that's how you're finding these book reviews, I wouldn't stress too much about adding a link. If you want to you can, but you're already adding enough information to help someone find the review on their own. Take care, Mcampany (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]