Talk:The Crucified

The Crucified was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
April 10, 2008	Good article nominee	Not listed

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Metal

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Metal, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of heavy metal music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MetalWikipedia:WikiProject MetalTemplate:WikiProject MetalHeavy Metal articles

Christianity: Metal Low‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Christian Metal (assessed as Low-importance).

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians.

Christian music Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christian music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christian music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Christian musicWikipedia:WikiProject Christian musicTemplate:WikiProject Christian musicChristian music articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Punk music (inactive)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Punk music, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Punk musicWikipedia:WikiProject Punk musicTemplate:WikiProject Punk musicPunk music articles

Notability

It's obvious that considerable work has gone into this (and related) articles, but unfortunately the result is not good. The main problem is one of notability, and I've added a tag suggesting that more third party references are needed to substantiate what is being said. Having the vocalist's autobiography as the main source is not satisfactory. Johnfos (talk) 08:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've withdrawn the nom. The book is the only source available. I think the tag could at least be taken off. It is a well written and factual article. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 19:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are sources that are being overlooked here, like this one:

van Pelt, Doug (2005). "The Crucified Interview 2005 (interview with Mark Salomon)". HM. Retrieved 2007-08-10. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

-- Johnfos (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I used that one. HM Magazine is the only other website that talks with Mark Salomon and it is about Stavesacre 99% of the time. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 21:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, you have used that one. My mistake. Look, in the absence of other editor input, maybe the best thing to do is get a WP:3O on the question of notability and whether the tag should be removed. Johnfos (talk) 21:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'll ask Dihydrogen Monoxide. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 22:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good choice. Diggy is an editor whose opinion I value. Johnfos (talk) 22:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. He's a great editor.^[1] —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 23:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~{{fact}}.~~ dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

^ "User contributions". Wikipedia. Retrieved 2008-03-22.

OK, so I have to give my opinion here, eh? Well, it seems notable to me. They've released some albums, and they've appeared in HM. I tried a few other sites; nothing on Rolling Stone, or on news.com.au. NME might have some; I'm not in the mood to go through hall those. Maybe you'll be lucky. I dunno. But IMO they're "notable"... dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, nothing of substance on NME. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 19:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination

After taking a look at the article, I'd say it's pretty good, but there's still some pretty sizeable flaws with it, which I hope can be addressed:

The biggest problem is the lack of sources. Not only is the article based almost exclusively on a single source (except for two in-line citations), but that one source is written by one of the members of the group. I can see this has been discussed above, but it remains the Achilles' heel of the article, and is reason enough for the article to fail its GA nomination. I don't know if this is something that is fixable, or if the article is doomed from the get go, but it's definitely a problem. That said, even though I'm going to fail the nomination, below are some more suggestions I have.
Another problem I see with the article is it's scope. Specifically, the article is primarily a historical/biographical account, albeit with two lists tacked on to the end (members and discography). Surely, there's much more that could be said about the band? What about their sound? Their live performances? The group dynamic? Their influence? Their influenceS? Any controversies? Major awards? etc. I'm not saying all that needs to be in there, but the article should ideally go into more detail then "X happened. Then Y happened. After that, Z happened."
The lead is very short. Per WP:Lead, the lead should summarize the article's major points. In a way, this is linked to the above criticism: the lead is so short simply because there isn't much to the article to summarize.
"The band broke up in 1994 due to personal indifferences." Don't you mean "differences"? I don't think people can have personally indifferences. Same with "Johnson was fired from the band due to personal indifferences."
I think it's important to mention in the lead that they are a Christian band.
"As the band members started to struggle with their Christian faith, the members started to not get along with each other as well as they used to." is a pretty awkward sentence.
The discography section is formatted more like a discography list, rather than a discography section. See WP:Album on how to write a section. (i.e. without the boxes, bullet points instead).

So, those are my suggestions of how to improve the article and how to get it to GA status. Unfortunately, I fear the first point might be insurmountable, but I hope not. Please feel free to drop me a line with any questions or concerns you might have regarding my review. Additionally, if you feel my review to be in error, you can always have the review reassessed at WP:GAR. Good luck! Drewcifer (talk) 02:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beliefs just mentions they were Christian, considering members have spoken about drugs etc and being hypocritical preaching onstage it is noteworthy to mention how lapses of faith affected the band.Czarnibog (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what this has to do with a good article nomination from nearly a decade ago, but I'll respond anyhow. That would be WP:OR. If you would like to cite a reference to lapses of faith in the band, the article could include it. If you would like to find sources that discuss how those lapses of faith affected the band or its members, that's fair game. To infer that the member have behaved in a way that you (and probably many other Evangelicals and Fundamentalists) would consider a lapse of faith is not enough to conclude that they had a lapse of faith. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hlo

Hello is this that CRUCIFIED who rapped THAT MUSIC Ishanbull (talk) 13:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's clearly not. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ishanbull (talk) 01:00, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on The Crucified. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Y An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:37, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "User contributions". Wikipedia. Retrieved 2008-03-22.

[1]