Talk:The Craft (film)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Plot summary

I have rewritten the plot summary to be more concise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.20.107 (talk) 12:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

That was a really nice cut. Thanks for doing it. I'd been putting it off because I haven't seen the movie in years and it's the icing on the cake for cutting off the efforts of a long term problem editor who likes all fiction about witchcraft. Millahnna (talk) 12:46, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Just a couple of thoughts on the synopsis, which is certainly good as is. However, the following section is problematic due to certain inaccuracies. "In response, Sarah casts a love spell upon him, while Rochelle casts a revenge spell on a hateful racist bully, Laura Lizzie, Bonnie casts a spell for beauty, and Nancy for power."

It says that Bonnie had cast a spell for beauty. I don't believe she did. She cast a spell to be healed of her scars. The beauty was simply the result of her healed scars.

Nancy did not cast a spell for power. She does that later in the show. When asked about what Nancy's spell was for, Rochelle replied that Nancy's spell was to no longer be white trash. Which I take to mean that she wished to live a more affluent lifestyle. Which she did when her step father suffered a fatal heart attack, allowing Nancy's mother to inherit his life insurance policy.

Also, Nancy probably did not cause her stepfather to have a heart attack. At least not directly. (If she were capable of such a thing, she probably would have done it long ago, since she clearly hated him. Also, based on the mythos of the movie, committing such an act would have surely invited retribution from the supernatural powers that the girls' worshiped.) It appears more like the supernatural forces unleashed by Nancy's spell, in her bid to no longer be white trash, simply elected to eliminate Nancy's stepfather as a way to effect their purpose. Nancy certainly was contemptuously enjoying his suffering as her stepfather was in the throes of his heart attack, but it doesn't appear that she was directly causing it.

Could someone please review the movie and make the necessary corrections? 65.33.138.115 (talk) 22:13, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Siouxsie Sioux?

on the siouxsie sioux page it says she has appeared in this movie...can anyone tell me exactly where she has appeared?

According to IMDB she was not in The Craft.

She doesnt physically appear in the movie but during the scene when Nancy is waving her hands over Bonnys back and Sarah is binding a spell with Rochelles hair the song in the background (Sick Child) is performed by Siouxsie and the Banshees.Grey witch 11:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Reviews?

Curious when Discussion pages became review forums... Let's stick to providing information about the film. Everyone's going to have an opinion, but Wikipedia's about facts, not opinions. It's not really about people's experience in witchcraft, either (not even the unsigned troll 'very vool' up there). - Adaru 15:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Stub status

If anyone is willing to help i would like to upgrade the page a bit in hopes of getting it above stub quality status, although in my opinion it already is, i realise that yes it does need a lot more work to be a great page, and i hope that we all aspire to making the pages here on wikipedia great. Grey witch 21:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm willing to help, what do you suggest that needs to be added to the article.--NeilEvans 22:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Well most wiki sites for movies contain a plot summary that usually has one part that is extended and explains the entire story summarised. Perhaps also a list of scenes containing spells and another list of scenes containing special effects as in the commentary on the dvd it is mentioned that they worked up to bigger and better special effects as the movie progressed. Also it might help to mention that the crew hired a witch to advise them on the actual reality of witchcraft, i believe her name was Pat Devon but i could be wrong. Thank you for offering to help. Grey witch 00:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok well I can get started on the plot over the next few days. I have the film on and old VHS tape, and not on DVD, possibly the witch they consulted will be mentioned in the credits. If you have the DVD then maybe you could handle the information about special effects.--NeilEvans 00:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I do have the dvd so sure i can do that part. Do you have any things that you would like to add to the page? Grey witch 00:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't think of anything at the moment but something may come to me while watching the film.--NeilEvans 15:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops! Unfortunatley I cannot find my copy of the film, so cannot help with its expansion.--NeilEvans 18:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh well dont worry. Grey witch 06:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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Goth influence

I'd like to remove the bit about this movie having a huge impact on people dressing "goth" until a citation is provided. It was common for people to dress in this fashion long before The Craft. Winona Ryder sported a gothic look in Beetlejuice (1988), and bands like The Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees have been around more than a decade before The Craft became popular. In fact, when making Addams Family, Christina Ricci was directed to act like Ryder in Beetlejuice when creating her role as Wednesday Addams - probably the quintessential goth kid. (LOL)

I'm not doubting people copied the film, but that hardly validates saying it was culturally significant, especially since the style existed before, after and separately from the film. It would be like saying Boyz In The Hood popularized people dressing "ghetto" - just because some people had never been exposed to goth culture doesn't mean it suddenly became mainstream with The Craft. BubbaStrangelove (talk) 11:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

For real, someone please source where The Craft had a significant impact in goth becoming mainstream. It didn't. Maybe in middle America, or the sticks, but goth was popular in the late-80s and early-90s. The Craft wouldn't have been as popular as it was, arguably not even made, had there already not been a mainstream acceptance of goth culture. The Cure's album WISH hit #2 on the US Billboard charts (#1 in the UK) back in 1992. The movie didn't make goth culture popular for the MTV generation - shows on MTV like Alternative Nation, or 120 Minutes where they played videos by the likes of The Bauhaus - those are what brought it into the mainstream, along with "gothic" styled films from the likes of Tim Burton.

As I said in my earlier attempt to discuss this, I know the movie influenced some teenagers, and for many people it was their first exposure to goth culture, but that's hardly a significant population. Are we going to argue that people influenced by The Craft outnumber fans influenced by every goth-styled band, movie, or book that existed prior to The Craft? They generally don't make mainstream teen-oriented movies about topics that aren't already popular to some extent. BubbaStrangelove (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced material

The following is unsourced information:

• Robin Tunney wore a red wig during filming due to the fact that she shaved her head for her role in Empire Records. Her natural hair color is brown.
• During the climax of the movie, over 3,000 live snakes were used, including: pythons, boa constrictors, water snakes, garter snakes, rat snakes, a 10-foot (3.0 m) Amazon constrictor, and even rare albino snakes.
• All of the actresses playing teenagers were far past teenage years at the time. Rachel True was almost 30 years old at the time the film was shot.
• In order to illustrate nature's intrusion on life, the director tried to incorporate nature into every shot with random branches, trees and vines.
• The surnames of the two main characters (Sarah and Nancy) are combined to create the fictional location of the film Ginger Snaps ("Bailey Downs").
• The pencil which Sarah spins is a Dixon Ticonderoga.

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 02:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

• I believe that this information comes from IMDB trivia page, but it's anybody's guess where the information came from originally. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Who's Chloe Cross and why would anyone care? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.21.25.254 (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I am removing this paragraph.

I am removing this paragraph-"The film employed state-of-the-art special effects, presenting gothic fashion and pagan behavior to the MTV Generation in an attractive package. Through this exposure, many teenage viewers gained an interest in witchcraft/paganism, and especially Wicca." That paragraph reads like promo material from studio. It also has no references to back it up. I am pretty sure "gothic fashion" was around before the movie,in fact I know it was with bands in the 1980's, like The Cure etc. And the part about "Through this exposure, many teenage viewers gained an interest in witchcraft/paganism, and especially Wicca." has no sources at all. I mean hasn't witch craft and Wicca been around before 1996 when this movie came out?--70.149.147.210 (talk) 04:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I am also removing this-"The musical group Love Spit Love recorded the song "How Soon Is Now?" which was originally sung by 80s music group The Smiths, for the film. Two years later, the WB television series Charmed was created, also centered on young witches in San Francisco, and used the same song for its theme song. On the DVD commentary, the director wryly comments on this, stating of Aaron Spelling, producer of Charmed, that "you've got to give the man credit for originality".

The are no sources for any of this so I am removing it. Next someone will say Sabrina the Teenage Witch was influenced by this film. --70.149.147.210 (talk) 04:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect elemental associations

The character descriptions for Nancy and Bonne are reversed. In the beach scene, Nancy invokes the power of air, while Bonnie invokes the power of fire. I've edited the article accordingly. --TwilightDuality (talk) 04:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the invocations were mistakenly reversed in the film. The special features on the DVD give Nancy's element as Fire and Bonnie's as Air. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.47.236 (talk) 22:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Be that as it may, whatever made it past the editing process and into the final scene is decidedly canon. The DVD bonus features are trivial. Besides, it makes perfect sense for Bonnie to be fire because of her burn scars and Nancy to be air because she's still "flying" when we last see her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:24D0:2CA0:F94F:5B1C:AA50:B2BC (talk) 02:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

No mention of Charmed?

no mention of the silly TV show, "Charmed" and it's obvious rip off of the Craft, right down to the theme song?76.19.63.222 (talk) 21:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC) Michael Christian

If reliable sources mention a link, add it. Jim Michael (talk) 09:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)