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Any suggestions/help?

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@Cordyceps-Zombie:@Kautilya3: Any suggestions for another DYK hook above... or ways to improve the article? Regards DTM (talk) 11:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 looks good to me, and possibly to others who know the JNU saga but never knew where the title came from. I can't think of any better hooks. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment. DTM (talk) 15:03, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Where the article says Survir Kaul, is this University of Pennsylvania professor Suvir Kaul? (link) If so, I think this should be given as Suvir Kaul (which is how it's spelled on page 24 of ref 5 Ali). The redlink is an invitation for readers to fill in the missing article. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the suggestion. I redlinked the name and corrected the typo. DTM (talk) 05:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk06:10, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reviewed: Susmita Mohanty
  • Comment: Still looking for better hooks; maybe an image too.

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 11:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

  • @DiplomatTesterMan: There are a lot of hook options here...I'll come around to that in a minute. This is new enough and long enough, QPQ pending. I don't see any textual issues. As to the hooks...
  • ALT0: The abbreviation JNU is likely not recognizable enough for readers outside of India (I know I had to click the link).
  • ALT1: I've changed a couple of prepositions. I do worry it doesn't connect to the poem connection enough. That said, I think it's the best option of these. (Also, "accused" has one S.)
  • ALT2: This just doesn't...read right to me.
  • ALT3: Sounds repetitive.
  • ALT4: You kind of have to know James Merrill to get this one.
  • ALT5: Not very interesting; many literary works are entered into congressional records and similar.
  • If there's a better hook that's recognizable to international readers and is focused on the poem collection, it may be better than ALT1, but that's the only hook I like right now. Ping me when a QPQ has been done. Raymie (tc) 18:22, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Raymie: QPQ added. DTM (talk) 09:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Approved for ALT1. Raymie (tc) 22:55, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You make a fair point on the hook. Yoninah, thoughts? Hopefully DTM can do more copyediting; these Indian English articles are definitely a bit of an issue for me to appropriately edit. Raymie (tc) 00:59, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6: ... that "The Country Without a Post Office" describes Kashmir as "a land of doomed addresses" in the 1990s, as postal services were stopped for seven months?
Yoninah I don't quite follow. By saying it isn't Indian English do you mean that the sentence structure is bad in general, or how someone other than an Indian would talk. I can give it for copyedit if you think the grammar is that bad. My bad. DTM (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I gave the article a thorough edit. I tried to add another sentence showing notability to the lead, but it needs to be embellished, to explain why they are citing the title. In the second paragraph of "Impact and legacy", please explain in a few words what the revocation of Article 370 was, so we can understand what the poem's title has to do with it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry for the delay in replying. The editing done makes the article much better. Two main points have been asked:
  1. It needs to be embellished, to explain why they are citing the title?
  2. In "Impact and legacy" please explain in a few words what the revocation of Article 370 was, so we can understand what the poem's title has to do with it.
Maybe now with this expansion different DYK hooks can be chosen too, apart from the one above. DTM (talk) 09:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DiplomatTesterMan: yes, the article looks much better now. Thanks for the expansion. Would you now like to propose other hooks so we can finish up this review? Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hooks cited inline. DTM (talk) 07:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yoninah There are people who are not acquainted with or emotional about this topic within India, within Kashmir.
I agree with finding a more interesting hook. I’m trying.
But this “International audience” is a dicey thing. An Indian wouldn’t be able to understand all Indian history related hooks. A Portuguese wouldn’t understand a Spanish hook even though they are neighbours. An American sports fan wouldn’t be adept with American economics or astrology.
I understand that each hook much reach a “universal audience”, not only an “international one”. A universal audience within our own country as well as others.
So after this soliloquy, those hooks still remain. Gung ho! DTM (talk) 08:45, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to think of some hooks by later, but I'm currently travelling and won't be in the hotel until tonight. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:30, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rereading the discussion above, I have to agree with Yoninah here. The hooks as proposed are too abstract to appeal to those outside India. Remember that Wikipedia is an international project, and hooks are expected to appeal to a worldwide audience, not just Indians. Thinking of hooks have been challenging as much of what I found to be eye-catching involve the highly contentious conflict in Kashmir. If Kashmir conflict-related hooks are to be avoided, one suggestion I could give could be a hook about how the poem inspired a Right to Information Act request for the actual number of post offices in Kashmir. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DiplomatTesterMan, Raymie, and Yoninah: Following my above suggestion, how does the following sound?
ALT10 ... that the popularity of the poem collection "The Country Without a Post Office" in Kashmir inspired a Right to Information Act request for the actual number of post offices in the region?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:01, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with this. Raymie (tc) 19:16, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for ALT10. I cut some of the ones I had suggested out. Since I am not the reviewer, I am literally fine with any hook that the reviewer/s and volunteer editor/s choose. I guess this is my second Kashmir hook finding its way to the end of the DYK nom list. Not fun, though I guess it comes with the territory. DTM (talk) 10:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Approving ALT6, ALT6a, and ALT10. Each hook is properly cited, mentioned inline, verified by the sources, and are reasonably interesting to a broad audience. The article appears to meet all other DYK criteria. Flibirigit (talk) 01:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]