Talk:The Class Struggles in France, 1848–1850

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Hello, I have just created this page. I am new to wikipedia and am in a class at university which included and assignment to edit or create a wikipedia page and I saw this one document was missing from the series on Marxism, so I created the page. I did a couple readthroughs of the source material (cited in work) and through together a summary of its contents. Due to the way I went about this the paraphrasing should be not very close at all and I avoided direct quotes, all in accordance with the advice on the "editing wikipedia" tutorials provided on wikiedu.org. I hope this page is appropriate work and I welcome feedback and editorial guidance. Also I was wondering how to get it linked into the template at the bottom which still shows the link in red. ThaGraeme (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey it's Alex from class. I think the issue with the template was that they included a comma in the title but you didn't. I redirected the link in the template to your article but whichever is correct should probably be changed permanently. Further edits can be made at Template:Marx/Engels -- CapitalCapybara (talk) (contributions) 09:10, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article gives a wrong interpretation of the book. The article asserts that it's about the struggle between two factions of the bourgeoisie. It asserts that French history had nothing to do with the struggle between bourgeoisie and proletariat. This is completely wrong. Look at Part I, titled "The Defeat of June 1848". This is about the defeat suffered by the proletariat. This is Marx's main interest. After describing what led up to the struggle in June, he asserts, "The workers were left no choice; they had to starve or let fly. They answered on June 22 with the tremendous insurrection in which the first great battle was fought between the two classes that split modern society." Part I ends with this: "Thus only the June defeat can seize the initiative of the European revolution. Only after being dipped in the blood of the June insurgents did the tricolor become the flag of the European revolution -- the red flag! And we exclaim: The revolution is dead! Long live the revolution!" The rest of the book explains how different classes related to the two main classes. The article completely misses discussion of the middle classes, the petty-bourgeoisie and the peasantry. The article says it's all about the two wings of the bourgeoisie, but Marx says the main player, individually, was Louis Bonaparte, and that Bonaparte represented the peasantry, not either wing of the bourgeoisie. The article needs to be completely rewritten. Yes, Marx discusses the two wings of the bourgeoisie extensively. But his main interest is in how these two wings relate, fundamentally, to the class struggle with the proletariat. The bourgeoisie could not prevent Louis Bonaparte's accession to power, because they had crushed the major source of oppositional politics, the proletariat. They crushed democracy when they crushed the June insurrection, and Bonaparte eventually turned that around and crushed their bourgeois republic. Peteupnorth (talk) 04:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Christine here, also from class. A couple of things I'd like to point out, first one being that the article is written in the present tense when it's based on works that were published over 120 years ago, I'd consider changing that to the past tense. Also "a man who Marx speaks of very disparagingly" is just an example, but I'd watch the language here because this looks like you're inserting your own opinions or conclusions into the article even if it's very obvious to the reader of Marx's work that he disapproves of Bonaparte. Last thing, I noticed you only used one source for the whole article thus far and that's Marx's work. This isn't a bad source, since it's the work you're writing about, but I'd make reference to a few other webpages that examine Marx's work so that the page doesn't appear to be based on your own conclusions. Other than those few things, this is quite interesting! It's a very different topic to some of the other pieces in class and you've done your research. ChristineDB (talk) 23:18, 14 April 2017 (UTC)ChristineDB[reply]