Talk:The Champ (1979 film)

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Saddest film

I hesitate to add this to the "Awards" section, but: The 1995 study "Emotion Elicitation Using Films" from psychology professors James J. Gross and Robert W. Levenson of U.C. Berkeley named the end of The Champ as the saddest movie scene of all time, surpassing even Bambi's mother. --Shadow (talk) 22:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I have no problem with the current wording [1] I would note their research didn't name the end of The Champ 'as the saddest movie scene of all time'. I've only glanced thru it but unsurprisingly they're far more cautious, saying:

'Our set of films should not be seen as definitive. We regard the development of film stimuli an ongoing process. We fully expect that we and others will eventually find films that are more effective in eliciting discrete emotions then those presented here.'

In other words, they were fully acknowledging others would likely find sadder scenes, whether in new films or in ones they didn't test (they analysed 250+ films selected from recommendations of others), or even scenes in films they tested other scenes of. And the discrete part is important, they were trying to find films that we good at eliciting the target emotion better then any of the other emotions they were looking at (because it's useful for research and other reasons). It's obviously possible a movie which elicites 'sadness' together with 'fear' or 'anger' could be a 'sadder' movie scene by some measures.

Also they unsurprisingly tried to keep the length short, you could have e.g. a 20 minutes part of a movie which could be considered one 'scene' which may be 'sadder' but I expected they would have excluded it.

While I'm not suggesting we remove it, the sourced claim that they found the saddest movie of all time is obviously even sillier. They were considering scenes in isolation. It's obviously possible a movie could be sadder overall even if it lacks the 'saddest' scene. And actually even a scene when not viewed in isolation but in context of the movie could be 'sadder'. That's more difficult to test of course and may not be of as much interest.

Nil Einne (talk) 08:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

The plot description makes no sense at all. Character's are not introduced and simply arrive into the story. Having never studied the English Language at a University level, I can only assume that this is completely normal and correct. For the uneducated, the whole article requires a rewrite and is unintelligible garbage. Mickybom (talk) 02:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]