Talk:The Bižuterija Tour/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will get on with this now! --K. Peake 09:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Shouldn't the img text mention the venue before the city? - Done
Add the locations parameter to the infobox, listing all of the countries the tour went to
Add a comma after second studio album - Done
In prose like I said for the infobox, shouldn't venues be before cities? - Done
Remove the "which it was intended to promote" part since the album being the only one mentioned by now makes it obvious which you mean - Done
Add a comma after debut studio album - Done
Add a sentence about critical and/or commercial reception after the set list one per this being notable for the lead - Done
"in 2011 featuring footage and" → "in 2011 that includes footage and" per the documentary not being entirely dedicated to the tour - Done

Background

"studio album, Bižuterija was published" → "studio album Bižuterija was released" - Done
"of the album became" → "of the album, became" but where is the turning point part sourced?
"was a big commercial success," → "achieved commercial success," to be more neutral - Done

You missed this one. --K. Peake 06:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"it sold 15.000 copies," → "the album sold 15,000 copies," but these copies for the certification are not sourced nor is the organization, so back up by adding a ref directly from them instead - Done
Pipe music critics to Music journalism - Done
"and renown to embark on" → "and renowned to embark on" but you need a citation for this sentence - Done

Development

"which achieved a wide commercial success very shortly after." → "which very quickly became a wide commercial success." - Done
Maybe reword the Spaladium Arena sentence to mentioning she performed at the Spaladium Arena in Split, then add becoming the first part? - Done
"After her performance in" → "Following her performance in" - Done
The other major cities part is not sourced and it does not make sense to say they were in cities - Done
Specify that you mean songs from the era of her band Magazin - Done
"her guests were Jole, Klapa Kampanel and Crvena Jabuka" → "Rozga's guests were Jole, Klapa Kampanel and Crvena jabuka" with the wikilink - Done
The dance group being named Pulsar is not sourced - Done, removed

Commercial performance and critical reception

Retitle to Reception and recordings, merging with the following section - Done
For correct order, the critical reception para should be the one before commercial reception - Done
A lot of the first para is not backed up by the sources - Done (I think)
"at the Spaladium Arena in her native Split." → "at the Spaladium Arena in Split." - Done
Remove the music critics part from this para since that is to do with critical reception - Done
"proved to be commercially successful among the audience of 5.000 people." what exactly does this mean? Also, add a comma for 5,000. - Done, it meant the concert sold out to 15.000 people
"of 12.000 people." → "of 12,000 people." - Done
"front of 10.000 people." → "front of 10,000 people." - Done
Remove the portal introduction to Index.hr - Done
The amazed quote allegedly from many reporters is not sourced - Done
"was filled with"fun" → "was filled with "fun" - Done
"with her songs and sincere emotions, and with it she sang every song and every verse in her breath" is sourced as the quote instead of the one beginning "with songs and honest emotions", so alter appropriately - Done
"observed that the highlights of" → "observed the highlights of" - Done

Recordings

Make this the third para of the above section - Done
Most of the info allegedly backed up by [13] is not sourced - Done
Wikilink music videos - Done

Set list

Add a source for this - Not done, really difficult to find

Dates and locations

Retitle to Shows - Done
See MOS:TABLECAPTION - Done
Add the appropriate ref(s) to the caption - Not done, really difficult to find

References

Copyvio score looks practically spotless at 2.9%!!!!
Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 1 - Done
Cite Story.hr as publisher instead on refs 3 and 12 - Done
What exactly makes refs 4 and 9 reliable sources? - If you are referring to T-portal and RTL.hr - the former one is an official newspaper's website and the latter is a TV channel, so both are trustworthy.
Cite Index.hr as publisher instead on refs 11 and 14, only wikilinking on the first instance - Done
Cite Story.hr as publisher instead on ref 12 - Done

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed, though there is quite a bit of original research here. --K. Peake 09:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for this thorough and careful review. I have tried to address most of the issues you have raised, I need clarifications for some and for others, I really cannot find sources or supporting information. I will still try to make some small fixes later today. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 11:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abnormalcy333 Thank you for getting back to me on this and regarding the points you don't understand, the quote I mentioned beginning with "with her songs and" should be the text quoted in speech marks instead since it is what the source says and the set list needs to be sourced; if you can only find a ref for one concert then simply add a heading saying "This set list is representative of the tour's concert at..." I hope you fix all of these soon! --K. Peake 09:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake: I think everything is fixed except for the sourcing part. I think it is practically impossible to do so for the tour's set list and maybe I will have to combine numerous to support the dates of the stops. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 05:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abnormalcy333 No, what I meant is that how it is presented right now saying that set list is representative of a specific concert is fully acceptable, however you need at least one source backing up the set list for that concert because otherwise this is original research. I am not saying to source the set list for every single concert, just make sure at least one is used to source. --K. Peake 06:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake: Yes, I understand; my point was that it is difficult to find such a source. What I saw being done on the Croatian Wikipedia from where I translated the original article is that they used a YouTube link to the concert in question but the video was removed by the uploader. Otherwise, I think it is practically impossible to find a source. With the multiple source suggestion, I was referring to the list of 7 concerts that were a part of the tour. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 07:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abnormalcy333 Unless those 7 sources actually back up the set list, then shouldn't this be removed for original research to comply with Wiki rules? --K. Peake 07:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abnormalcy333 A week after our last interaction, do you have any updates on this? --K. Peake 09:19, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake I am afraid not, so would it be a reasonable decision to just remove the set list and dates paragraphs? Or just add a "source needed template" next to it? Abnormalcy333 (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Abnormalcy333 Remove altogether since source needed templates are not appropriate for GAs. --K. Peake 14:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Done, I hope this article is now ready for GA status. Abnormalcy333 (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass now, the remaining issue has been omitted! --K. Peake 09:14, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]