Talk:The Benny Hill Show/Archive 3

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Missing Inline Citations and Third-Party References

The {{no footnotes}} was tagged since January 2008 but removed. Just one question: should there be inline citations or third-party references? Too many unsourced data must be heavily removed, but that would consider vandalism or sloppy edit. Even "Show Format" needs citations, especially from third-party. --Gh87 (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

First off, you don't need to start a new section for every query about the article. Any new comment will be found even if it's not in a new section. Second, all references used in articles should be from reliable third-party publications. Inline citation simply refers to the style in which the references are presented. Please see WP:CITE. As far as removing uncited content, that depends on the article and the content. One is suppose to use common sense when it comes to such matters as every bit of content doesn't need a reference. In the case of television shows or works of fictions, the work itself is considered enough of a reference in most instances. In other words, we do not need to provide a citation for something like the show format because it is rather clear that the series is a sketch comedy show because it is presented as such (again, see WP:FACTS). Unless someone is likely to challenge that fact (which is rather doubtful), there's no need to provide a citation OR remove the content. That said, I have tagged the article for not having any references because there is some content that does need to be cited such as the "Cancellation" section. Since that content is not particularity contentious, there's no need to remove it. Pinkadelica^♣ 00:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Redundant comment is redundant

"The Benny Hill Show is a British sketch comedy television show starring Benny Hill."

No shit. That's like going up to, say, Larry King Live's page, and say "Larry King Live is a news show starring Larry King". --24.29.50.195 (talk) 21:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I see your point, but let's take the show Archie Bunker's Place (a spinoff of the more-famous All in the Family; both shows star the fictional character Archie Bunker, played by the actor Carroll O'Connor). The article couldn't say "Archie Bunker's Place stars Archie Bunker". And the show Hannah Montana doesn't star an actress named "Hannah Montana (that is the name of the main character famous, pop singer persona);" it stars Miley Cyrus.

Now, you could say that everyone knows that Benny Hill and Larry King are real people, while everyone knows that Archie Bunker is a "fictional character," as well as "Hannah Montana (not necessarily from familiarity with the show, but from the name)," but, technically, those are assumptions; albeit pretty good assumptions that most people would be able to make, but they do not belong in an encyclopedia.

tributes

there should be stuff about the many tributes paid to the show... including The Highliners song The Benny Hill Boogie, and many other such tributes 65.94.47.65 (talk) 09:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

'Production Notes' needs some clarification

"The show closed with Hill's salute: "Thank you for being with us, and we look forward to seeing you all again — very, very soon. Until then, bye bye.""

Which show closed like this? All the ones I remember ended with a dialogueless speeded-up chase sketch with the credits scrolling across the bottom of the screen. 86.132.55.223 (talk) 09:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Usually his closing salute segued right into the scene which led into the closing chase under the creditsDOMICH (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Please correct infobox

 Broadcast dates altered in infobox

The infobox contains a glaring mistake. It gives the final broadcast as May 30, 1991. That is completely wrong, as that was the airdate for the Benny Hill's World Tour special in the US, a completely unrelated production. The article itself says the series came to an end in 1989, so that date should be used in the infobox. It's fine to include a section on the US special in lieu of creating an article on it, but let's not be misleading with the infobox. I'd correct it myself, but as an unregistered IP I'd probably just get reverted. 68.146.64.9 (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes. You are correct. I'm sorry it took so long for this to get noticed, and fixed, but I've done it now: link to amendment. Thank you for taking the time to point this out, and Happy New Year. Begoon ^talk 09:55, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

And now it's back to the former (1991) date. 82.141.67.208 (talk) 22:21, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Original run?

The infobox section "Original run" has dates "15 January 1955 – 30 May 1991" with cite [1].
However, the cited page's list has the first episode dated "19/Nov/69" and the last "01/May/89", while the infobox has three episodes more and "aired from: Nov 1969 to: May 1994".
But, the years 1955 and 1991 are not on that cite. 82.141.67.208 (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

In response to your question, the article is very sloppy in the way it presents TBHS. There were several incarnations of TBHS (seeThe Benny Hill Show#Programme list for more information). The first were the BBC shows which commenced in 1955 and ran on-and-off between 1955-1968. The second shows were for ATV and more or less ran concurrently with the BBC shows, but were produced by a different television station and with different production personnel. The third series (Thames Television) (1969-1989), is the series everyone normally refers to when speaking about TBHS (most people would not be familiar with the early b&w shows before 1969, and many of these early shows no longer exist). After his sacking from Thames in 1989, Benny Hill made one more show - Benny Hill's World Tour ('91), which was a Benny Hill Show in all but name, but this time for an American TV company. The 1994 date refers to the year Benny Hill's World Tour, was shown on British television. Not only was it shown 3 years later in Britain, than on US TV, but it was split in two 1/2 hour segments and re-titled Benny Hill - Unseen. Hope this answers your question. It would be nice if someone could tidy up the article to make this all a bit clearer. --Mrodowicz (talk) 15:28, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Cultural Influence

I've seen a similar subtopic in other Wiki entries about shows or films. Groo knows why my Wiki-wanderings took me to this page, but when I got here, I found what seems to be an omission that I have no idea how to fix (knowing it's broken isn't the same as having the skill set to fix it - or I'd never have to pay for auto repairs).

There is a relatively significant reference to a fictionalized version of The Benny Hill Show in the movie "V for Vendetta" that isn't acknowledged here or on the page for that film.

1) Would it be a good idea to add the acknowledgement here? 2) Would it be a good idea to add the acknowledgement there?

Feel free to delete, ignore, or otherwise obliterate this if it's out of line.

74.142.90.206 (talk) 22:28, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

'Chasing Women?'

A group of critics accused the show of sexism, and Hill responded by claiming that female characters kept their dignity while the men who chase them were portrayed as buffoons.

This seems a strange line, because as I remember these shows, Hill would do a schoolboy type prank that would irritate attractive women and they would irately chase him usually shaking their fists! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.12.212 (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, there is no mention of the role of 'Political Correctness' in the cancellation of the show, even though it was still a big money earner for Thames Television.

"Yakety Sax"

In the Infobox, it's stated that the tune/melody is the "Opening theme."

I think this is completely wrong.

I remember it from the silent chase scene at the end of the show and as doubling for the closing theme.

Not only does the Yakety Sax Wikipedia article states that it was the closing theme used in the silent chases at the end of the show, it's even mentioned in this article.

Just because it was popular and is 'mistakenly' called/referred to as The Benny Hill theme, does not make it the "Opening theme."

I didn't change the Infobox because I think what Yakety Sax is should be verified (with possibly an inline citation) before being changed; and, I do not have the resources to verify (beyond the Wikipedia entry -- like actually watching an episode of the show).

So, any takers? 2600:8800:785:1300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 18:20, 6 December 2018 (UTC)