Talk:The Angry Family

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 16:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Like most episode-articles, the production code needs a reference.
- Couldn't find a reliable source for this, so I've removed this. It was listed on the season 6 episodes list on Wikipedia and was on everybodylovesray.com, which I later found out was actually an unofficial fan site. HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the lead, the actor who portrays Michael is in (parathesis), so I would do the same with the actor who portrays Ray Barone.
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"show creator and runner" → "series creator and showrunner"
- Done, and also replaced "show creator" with "series creator" so the prose isn't repetitive. HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Originally airing" → "Originally aired" or "Originally broadcast"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:13, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Link Ray Romano.
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 18:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"show runner" → "showrunner"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 18:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

"Ray is the source" → "that Ray is the source" or "Ray as the source"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"a 'outsider'" → "an 'outsider'"
- Fixed this. Also good catch! Sometimes issues aren't always noticed on your first eye, so you need others to find it. HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"child psychology" → "the child psychology"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Add a comma after "very close to each other".
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Production

Try merging the eleven citations at the end with a WP:CITEBUNDLE (see also: H:CITEMERGE).
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:54, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis

This section looks good.

Reception

I would remove the Screen Rant references since we can't use sources citing IMDb per WP:IMDB and WP:IMDBREF.
- Removed HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"DVDTalk" → "DVD Talk"
- Wait, isn't DVD Talk a work? Even websites can be works (see also IGN and Eurogamer) like magazines and newspapers.... In any case, done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"DVDTalk" → "DVD Talk"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accolades

I would change the first use of "Rosenthal" to "Philip Rosenthal" since it's been a few sections.
- Double wait. You can do this in articles? If it's been a while, you can restate the first name? I thought you could only use the first name once and had to use only the last name the rest of the times it was brought up. Well, either it's "the more you know" or Wikipedia's policies and guidelines change pretty often. In any case, done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That rule usually applies to stub-articles on Wikipedia containing two or less sections. Some readers might skip all the way down to #Accolades and be confused on who "Rosenthal" is referring to. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:50, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I get it. Interesting. I guess, as a lazy bum sometimes, I would do that. Hehehe. Like I said, done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"in the same ceremony" → "in the same ceremony"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This paragraph is a bit confusing as you list the two Primetime award nominations for the show, yet say that "this was the second time Everybody Loves Raymond was nominated for the writing accolade" before listing another nomination from 2000. Wouldn't this be the show's third nomination?
- I see what you mean, but both episodes were nominated in the same ceremony on the same list, meaning neither of there were nominated before or after each other. Would writing "second and third instances" suffice? HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It would. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 18:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What makes the "Online Film and Television Association" notable to be included in this article?
- Removed. I only added it cause IMDb listed it in its section of awards for the episode. HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"same same ceremony" → "same ceremony"
- Fixed. I have no clue why I make those mistakes while writing Wikipedia articles. The thing your subconscious does. HumanxAnthro (talk) 18:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"This mark" → "This marked"
- Done HumanxAnthro (talk) 18:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Feels like a header can be made under #Reception titled #Critical_response with #Accolades being another subsection.
- I've actually decided to just combined the two sections, since there's also a sentence at the beginning of the episode's commercial performance, plus if there were sub-sections, they'd all be way too short to justify having them.

References

Archive all archivable sources (you can do it manually or with this tool).
Link every website used in each citation.
- Although I don't think this needed for even featured articles, all above done away (including adding the links to the cites), except for a Google Books citation where Internet Archive gave me error messages in trying to archive it. HumanxAnthro (talk) 18:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Try to be consistent with using "|first=" and "|last=" since the episodes are formatted differently.
- Done. I took episode citation formats from good articles about episodes from The Office. Since there isn't a directorfirst1=, directorlast1=, writerfirst1= or writerlast1= in the episode citation template, I've just manually entered the [last, first] name formats; again, like you said, to keep consistent with name formatting. HumanxAnthro (talk) 17:51, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There appears to be an error in the first citation.
- Really? The site's loading just find on my browse- Oh! You're referring to the title. 'Raymond' is used to title the series, and the apostrophe is used in writers' (plural writers) to indicate possession of a "recipe for comedy." Is that what you were concerned about? HumanxAnthro (talk) 18:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was something about the dates having an error but the message is gone now. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 18:33, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Progress

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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