Talk:Texas Band of Yaqui Indians

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Photo of Yaqui during Mexican Revolution

See a silver-gelatin photo by Otis A. Aultman (1919) Yaqui,MexRevolution,ElPasoPubLibrary2603 Armed Yaqui Indians on duty as scouts and guards

Part of a collection housed at UT Austin, with another set at El Paso Public Library. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 17:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced section

Since this has been unsourced since 2015, I'm moving it here. The self-published website of the organization cannot serve as a citation, since it's not a published, secondary source. Yuchitown (talk) 21:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Better not to create such duplication here. The record is fully preserved in the article's version history[1]. sirlanz 23:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In keeping with the request not to duplicate deleted material on the talk page, here is a diff of information about public presentations of Yaqui culture throughout the 20th century in Lubbock, Texas. Yuchitown (talk) 02:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Federal recognition

The Texas Band Of Yaqui are recognized by Texas State and have a partnership with homeland security https://www.tbyi.gov/contacts

Request for page protection

I requested page protection. In May 2022, User:Hiakkoba (talk) deleted cited material, even blanked the page], and was ultimately blocked on May 17, 2022. After this block, beginning on the same day, May 17, 2022, similar deletions of cited material have been made, Contributions/2600:8801:1A6:CF00:7529:98A:2DA:4B5E. Similiar deletions/revisions were made in July: Special:Contributions/2601:204:C901:80:98F7:B9:B607:6A97 and [[2]]. It appears these IP deletions will continue until this page is protected. Yuchitown (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

False information

Multiple people on here are deleting and editing critical information on this site regarding the Texas band of Yaqui YaquiWoman (talk) 00:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@YaquiWoman, kindly provide any source to the material you are posting. Read WP:CITE, WP:RS for more information. CSMention269 (talk) 01:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This information is coming directly from the website of the Texas Band Of Yaqui! YaquiWoman (talk) 02:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can't simply copy-pasting the contents given in their website (it will look like promotion of this website). Kindly read the links I specified above. And be aware of your Manual of Style.

CSMention269 (talk) 03:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@YaquiWoman, kindly see to it next time that you provide reliable sources on the content you are adding. The website is not a reliable source for verification. For now I reverted it again. If I found that you did it without taking my advice, I need to report it to concerned place. Thank you. --CSMention269 (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you consider a “reliable source “ if not the website itself?? I am a member of the Texas Band Of Yaqui and this information is incorrect! Report it to who you like as this information is correct and I have provided a relabel source! YaquiWoman (talk) 03:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be prepared to change it 10 thousand times a day as we TBYI will not let this false information regarding our tribe stand!!! YaquiWoman (talk) 03:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's edit warring, and will get you blocked. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 03:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LilianaUwU, note that this account has COI issue on this article. CSMention269 (talk) 03:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I noticed. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 03:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is COI issues? YaquiWoman (talk) 03:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It means you have a connection to the article subject. See WP:COI for more info.Philipnelson99 (talk) 03:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How are you guys allowing false information regarding the Texas Band Of Yaqui on this page when so many people have expressed concern about it and provided multiple sources to support what we are saying? The conversations in the Talk section shows this has been going on for a long time and reliable sources are denied! YaquiWoman (talk) 04:05, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what the talk page history shows. It shows that the article has a long history of unsourced or poorly sourced content. I and several other editors in this conversation think your additions do not help the problem and they all rely on primary sources. Philipnelson99 (talk) 04:07, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended content
That is completely fine as we are having the Texas Band of Yaqui tribal attorney Mia get involved and we will be reaching out with a Seaze and desist letter. YaquiWoman (talk) 04:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] Please see WP:NOLEGALTHREATS. Philipnelson99 (talk) 05:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you so threaten by our existence??? Why do you feel the need to spread false information regarding the Texas Band Of Yaqui??? Your reliable sources are completely false!! YaquiWoman (talk) 03:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honorary resolution

I don't know if I can be bothered looking into this myself, but there's obviously something weird with a honorary resolution in 2015 for an organisation that formed in 2019. Either the resolution was for some other organisation or this one has a history for several years before they officially formed the nonprofit. Nil Einne (talk) 10:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified that 2019 is for the nonprofit incorporation. I missed all the hubbub of the last 24 hours. It can be challenging to find independent, verifiable, and objective information about unrecognized tribes, so while all the nonprofit information might appear banal; it’s valuable for being wp:npov. There’s a great deal of misinformation about what is state-recognition and who are state-recognized tribes, especially in Texas, but as the cited material supports: Texas currently has no state-recognized tribes. A bill was recently introduced for state-recognition of the Lipan Apache Tribe of Texas, but it died. Yuchitown (talk) 17:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Cleanup

CSMention269, what exactly needs to be cleaned with this article? Yuchitown (talk) 01:10, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

@Yuchitown, actually I was watching another article, the one I was expanding yesterday so due to unavoidable circumstances, I accidentally clicked the tag opt without having noticed. I removed it for now. Thanks for notifying at the earliest. CSMention269 (talk) 01:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then if you've withdrawn your deletion proposal, shouldn't you also remove the deletion template on the top of this article as well? Yuchitown (talk) 01:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

@Yuchitown, I think it is the admin's job to decide. On most cases, if nominator wishes to withdraw, they need to post it in AFD. Then an uninvolved admin do the needful. Since I withdrawn it, some one (admin) will close it, keeping the page. CSMention269 (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now closed. For the record CSM269, a non-admin close would have been appropriate in this situation. See WP:AFD#Procedure for non-administrator close (nominator withdrawal). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone interested, here was the previous iteration of this article, prior to overhaul. If anyone has more content from reliable secondary, published sources, please feel free to add. The goal is to focus this article on the Texas Band of Yaqui Indians organization itself, as opposed to its claims (which are easily accessible via the two links to its website), and to stick to reliable, secondary published material – basically, what is substantiated by outside sources. Any material about Yaqui people can on the Yaqui article (which needs some help, if anyone is so inclined). Yuchitown (talk) 02:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]