Talk:Terrorism in Turkey

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NPOV

I nominated this article for deletion as well, as I am concerned this is a POV-fork of primarily (or only - as the article doesn't seem to mention any newer non-Kurdish incidents per my perhaps not complete review) the Turkish-Kurdish conflict. The longstanding Turkish government position is to refer to deaths from Kurdish rebellions in Turkey, Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present), Kurdish–Turkish conflict (2015–present) as "terrorism". This article takes this line in Wiki's voice - right in the lede - From 1984 to 2000, an estimated 30,000 to 35,000 Turkish citizens were killed in terrorism-related incidents. - which is very much the Turkish government POV, and not how we refer to Turkish-Kurdish conflict deaths elsewhere.Icewhiz (talk) 07:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm holding off making changes to the article itself until the AFD concludes. If this passes the AFD as keep, I believe we should briefly state that the Turkish government's position is that Kurdish insurgency related deaths are terrorism related, while the Kurds and others dispute this label - redacting most of the current material in the article and referring to the main conflict page. In addition we should perhaps add the more recent Syrian-war spillovers and incidents.Icewhiz (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unexplained deletions of User Icewhiz

I looked at this article history and found that some deletions were made without reason by User Icewhiz who said "This refers to the Kurdish conflict which is disputed as terrorism". This itself is a disputable thing, and it doesn't matter, as long as the source says it is terrorism, it can be said (maybe with the explanation : according to turkish sources).

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The majority of terrorist incidents in Turkey are concentrated mainly in Eastern, and South Eastern Turkey and big cities.^[1]

From 1984 to 2000, an estimated 30,000 to 35,000 Turkish citizens were killed in terrorism-related incidents, during this period, the Partiya Karekeren Kurdistan (PKK), a Kurdish separatist group (re-named KADEK in 2002), was responsible for the vast majority of terrorist attacks. These attacks disproportionately affected the eastern and southeastern regions of Turkey, where the PKK focused its activities.^[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.82.142.56 (talk)

References

^ Öcal, Nadir, and Jülide Yildirim. "Regional effects of terrorism on economic growth in Turkey: A geographically weighted regression approach." Journal of Peace Research 47, no. 4 (2010): 477-489.
^ Rodoplu, Ulkumen, Jeffrey Arnold, and Gurkan Ersoy. "Terrorism in Turkey." Prehospital and Disaster Medicine 18, no. 2 (2003): 152-160.

You should have pinged Icewhiz.--Calthinus (talk) 15:44, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I last edited this around two years ago - in August 2017. When terrorist incidents are disputed - e.g. Turkish authorities claiming one thing, Kurdish another thing, and most of the world something in the middle (some sort of conflict / rebellion - but often not terrorism) - NPOV requires us to present this per the mainstream view and at most attribute claims made by a small minority.Icewhiz (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Öcal, Nadir, and Jülide Yildirim. "Regional effects of terrorism on economic growth in Turkey: A geographically weighted regression approach." Journal of Peace Research 47, no. 4 (2010): 477-489.

[2] Rodoplu, Ulkumen, Jeffrey Arnold, and Gurkan Ersoy. "Terrorism in Turkey." Prehospital and Disaster Medicine 18, no. 2 (2003): 152-160.

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