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Photo

Can someone please move the photo at the end of the article so that no one will have to accidentally be exposed to such material? Or make the image appear after the user clicks a link. Optim 17:56, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Or, at least, find some way to let sensitive users hide the photo :) Optim 17:57, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sensitive to pictures of bugs? People with phobias should take it upon themselves to be cautious, and if they are so sensitive they can't look at pictures of everyday creatures should probably get some kind of help. Or should we also avoid all pictures of open spaces and heights?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh Grosse (talk • contribs) 16:10, 2 March 2004

I can understand your reasoning, but you should know that a number of people don't like to see bugs, although they may like to know about them. Optim·.· 14:55, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Lifespan of Queen

I read that termite queens can live 50 yrs. If that's true, it should definatly be mentioned. --151.196.29.69 00:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Social Structure and Behaviour

I question the extent to which termites are examples of "decentralised, self-organised systems" given that the terminary dies immediately if the queen is killed. ChrisKennedy 05:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Usually not neccessarily, termites, depending on the species have a sub-caste known as supplementaries which are able to replace a dead queen or king. As an ameteur of termite study, I have destroyed termite mounds to find and capture a queen. Years later I returned to find the exact same mound flourishing again. This may be due to either the above mentioned suppementary sub-caste or due to other alates from another nest making the half eaten tree a new nest. - Darth Trini —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthTrini (talk • contribs) 19:57, 23 June 2006

'Termite.com' link looks like self-promotion, but I left it just in case I'm wrong. Peter Grey 14:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do you think a link to Termite information and advice from an expert would be a good addition? Iceweb (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Divisions

The article should be sub-divided into sections. It is easier to read that way. Rintrah 12:56, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

closer to ants?

"Termites are highly modified, social, wood-eating cockroaches": but isn't that jumping out of the family of ants and bees, into a different family... --Jidanni 2006-04-15

Ants belong to a totally different family order called hymenoptera, whereas termites are isoptera. So there is more in common with cockroaches than ants biologically. - DarthTrini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthTrini (talk • contribs) 13:25, 19 April 2006

Acording to DNA and microbial evidence termites are cockroaches [1] ASH1977LAW 08:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Miscategorized metamorphosis?

"Termites undergo incomplete metamorphosis, with their freshly hatched young taking the form of tiny termites that grow without significant morphological changes." Useful, perhaps, but why is it in the Soldiers section? Octavo 18:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Holes?

I think my house has termites but I'm not sure if the holes are right...it should specify what the holes look like in the article (the picture of wood damage desn't clearly show the shape of the holes). Thanks. SoaP 19:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Relationships and evolutionary history

The evidence of termites in the Triassic is circumstantial, based on the interpretation of certain fossil structures as termite mounds. It may very well be true but the oldest direct evidence of termites in the fossil record is from the Cretaceous (although the diversity of termites in the Cretaceous suggests they evolved at some earlier point). The article should reflect this uncertainty. I would also question the identification of "termite" wings from the Permian, especially using such an outdated reference. I suspect that today these wings would probably be interpreted as belonging to the group called "roachoids" by Grimaldi, which is the ancestral group from which modern roaches, mantids, and termites evolved. MrDarwin 13:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:
  • The article contains a lot of terms not fully defined, especially for me as a non native english speaker do not fully understand some jargon used in the article.
  • The image Image:Termite damaged wood.jpg has a unasserted copyright, must be fixed.
  • More inline citations should be used, but the criteria 2b is objectable at the moment, so it's ok for the moment.

Placing article on hold 7 days. →AzaToth 12:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


Where do they live?

I came to this page to find out if termites only live in Australia or are worldwide. I couldn't find any information on where they are found - even just a sentence in the intro would be helpful. Does anyone know? Pennoze 18:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Termites as a source of power

Perhaps the word you're looking for is "methanogenesis" not "metagenomics"? EPMD (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

The Number Of Queens and Kings In A termite Nest

It is normal to find two or three kings and queens in one palace. However, i have seen a palace with FOUR QUEENS and TWO KINGS. I have also seen a palace with TWO KINGS and FOUR QUEES. I have also seen a palace with SEVEN KINGS AND SEVEN QUEENS.

Does any of this findings earn a place in the Guinnes Book Of Record?212.88.102.146 (talk) 08:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Termite hills - Hydrology in Ancient India

An authoritative book titled "Hydrology in Ancient India" published as India's contribution to International Hydrology Programme (IHP), by the National Institute of Hydrology, Jal Vigyan Bhavan, Roorkee 247 667, India has, in the Chapter 5 on Ground Water, deals with the knowledge of ground water divining with the help of termite mounds.Extracts from this book have been included in the article. --Nvvchar (talk) 05:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

White ant

"White ant" redirects here, but there's no mention of the term in the article. I'm not a native English speaker and I've never heard "White ant" before, so I think someone more knowledgeable should add it to the page. --89.102.32.253 (talk) 22:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

An apparently well-meaning editor recently removed the term from the introduction, because they felt too many people would interpret it to mean that termites were a type of ant. The argument was essentially that the average reader is not intelligent enough to understand the difference between the two, so better to delete the term than contribute to the confusion. I think it should be possible, however, to write a sentence or two that explains that "white ant", while COMPLETELY inappropriate, is nonetheless in common use - akin to the way people constantly refer to yellowjacket wasps as "bees". Dyanega (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been bold... Is the end of the introduction an appropriate place for an inappropriate common name? For reference, see [2] and a few later revisions. --147.229.64.216 (talk) 15:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
It certainly should reduce the confusion, I'd imagine. Dyanega (talk) 17:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

New colonies

Please add the picture of the termites with wings that goes out from the colony to create news one

Also describe this process

Thanks

Milton (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a pity you didn't ask for a picture at the beginning of the rainy season in SE Asia rather than the end. I usually have many dune-like structures made out of thousands of winged termites out in the garden at the beginning of the rains. I'll have a look to see if I have any photos. Sean.hoyland - talk 11:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Communication

I guess this article needs something about how they communicate including the head-banging alarm system at the very least. I'll have a search for sources. Sean.hoyland - talk 11:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Nitrogen Fixation in Termites

A few words on nitrogen fixation in termites should be included on this termite entry.Dradcurtis (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Name

Is it ... something to do with 'terminus' ? like.. they destroy over time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 01:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Building materials: dust-free dirt?

I doubt a reference will ever be found for the Termite#Building_materials sentence/subsection. How does one determine whether or not a sample of dirt contains any dust? --lizardo_tx (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm removing this section since it consists of a single sentence which has remained unsourced for months. --lizardo_tx (talk) 14:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced!

"Termites are a group of eusocial insects that, until recently, were classified at the taxonomic rank of order Isoptera (see taxonomy below), but are now accepted as the epifamily Termitoidae, of the cockroach order Blattaria." This sentence has no cited source. Such a bold sentence must be removed unless preferably several sources show this to be consensus. (After all, just one paper doesn't necessarily establish consensus even if that paper is peer-reviewed.) As a closing note, there is a difference between Wikipedia consensus and scientific consensus, and I'm talking about the latter. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:LEADCITE, citations aren't always necessary in the lead however it's true that the sentence is a misleading summary of the Termite#Taxonomy, evolution and systematics section of the article which does at least have some references. Bignell's Biology of Termites: A Modern Synthesis has a useful summary of the current situation on page 34. You can be bold and fix things yourself. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

"This simple story, which has been in entomology textbooks for decades, is complicated by the finding that all studied termites can produce their own cellulase enzymes, and therefore might digest wood in the absence of their symbiotic microbes although there is now evidence suggeting that these gut microbes make use of termite-produced cellulase enzymes."

As a general rule, when asserting a statement of fact that upends the statements found "in entomology textbooks for decades," one should provide at least one source for one's statement. I just came back from looking at "Ask Nature," where I found they quote Gould and Gould 2007:132-133 as saying that termites do not digest cellulose on their own. What am I to make of such discrepancies if Wikipedia authors do not cite their sources? Pooua (talk) 03:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Size

Hi. This article makes no mention of termite size. Although it likely varies between different roles, sexes, colonies, locations, habitats and species, a rough guide to the average length would be helpful to readers. It is an obvious characteristic that needs to be mentioned. Thanks. ~AH1 (discuss!) 01:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Caste polyphenism makes that a really really hard question to answer, though. Any rough guide would really just be that - rough.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 02:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
That's easy - just list the smallest and largest sizes for all species. ~AH1 (discuss!) 17:13, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Racist slur

I agree with the reversion; if I hadn't been beaten to it I would have reverted it too. The concept of the tar baby goes back a couple of centuries at least. The application to termites never had anything to do with racism and goes back to the mid 20th century at least. Bringing in racism is a late 20th century bit of American revisionism along the lines of trying to outlaw terms like picnic for racism. WP is not supposed to be an organ of hysterical illiteracy. JonRichfield (talk) 05:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Termites now within Blattodea

In August 2011 the order that termites belonged to was switched over to Blattodea from Isoptera on this page, reflecting work published in Biology Letters in 2007. In May 2012 someone reverted this change without signing in and with no comment. I'm assuming they thought they were correcting a mistake, since most textbooks probably aren't caught up to this research. I will update this page to reflect this new phylogenetic rank unless someone knows of any conflict to this information. The new ranking appears to be: Order Blattodea -> Superfamily Blattoidea -> Epifamily Termitoidea. Quinzer (talk) 20:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Make the introductory section more accessible to the broad public

As an average layman when it comes to insects, I need to click every single clickable word in the introductory section in this article to understand it. The introduction would be much more informative to the masses who use an encyclopedia if the jargon was saved for later in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasjaf (talk • contribs) 12:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Ground water divining in ancient India

Consider changing section title. It's still being used in modern Thailand, where it's not considered 'divination' but a practical way of finding water. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)--Pawyilee (talk) 12:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

New ovaries for old queens

There were a few words on the topic of growing extra ovaries as the queen continues to mature. The remarks were incoherent, possibly incomplete. I deleted them because as far as I can make out, they were in accurate at best. If anything increases in number it is the ovarioles, not the ovaries, and even that has been called in question. I invite anyone with sound citations to correct or supplement this text, but there is so much uncited garbage online, that though I am normally pretty easy-going about citations, I will be sniffy about challenging any claims. Feel welcome to discuss the matter. JonRichfield (talk) 15:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Dispute: Any support to taxonomic reclassification?

Article States in part: "... until recently, were classified at the taxonomic rank of order Isoptera ... but are now accepted as the epifamily Termitoidae, of the cockroach order Blattodea."

Is there some source for this? Other than a single article I was able to find on how their guts are similar?

I found this page http://tolweb.org/Dictyoptera/8253 that seems to dispute placing termites under roaches, rather alongside. While I'm sure that would be sensational advert materials for pest control companies, I'm not finding a scientifically accepted resource to make this taxonomic reclassification official.

Further into the article, there is a contradictory section "Taxonomy, evolution, and systematics" that seems to further waffle around.

Edit: It looks like I need to point out that someone publishing a new theory or research paper does not create a generally accepted reclassification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.194.79 (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

A citation [1] http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/3/3/331.full was just added to support this reclassification. I read it. And I quote: "We propose that the presently recognized order Isoptera should no longer be used and that the species presently included in Isoptera should be classified within the family Termitidae as part of the order Blattodea within the superorder Dictyoptera. "

Key words: "We Propose...." Does this passes the test as a confirming Wikipedia citation?

Steve — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.194.79 (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

NPOV request based on Wikipedia:BALANCE WP:GEVAL regarding Taxobox classification and first paragraph of article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.194.79 (talk) 21:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

The King?

The second paragraph of the Reproductives section starts, "The king [...]", but the concept of the king has not been previously explained. Who is the king? This needs explaining before this stage. Fig (talk) 16:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Ground water divining in ancient India

Why is this flagged as controversial/undue-weight with no discussion here? The only controversy I see is labeling it as divining, ancient, and limited to India. It's a common means of locating sources of potable water where I live. --Pawyilee (talk) 04:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Can these mighty insects hold the key to reducing childhood diabetis?

Bold text I am just wondering if anyone has considered these creatures as containing a protein or perhaps an enzyme of some sort that may be essential in healing juvenile diabetis? They survive on organic fibers, essentialy turning it into glucose which results in energy essential to life. I have wondered about this for years now. I am just an ordinary person in an extraordinary world. CuriousShell (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)--CuriousShell (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

No mention of nasute termites

There should be a paragraph within the soldier section mentioning nasutes. They are a different type of soldier termite that shoots chemicals from a tube/snout on its head, and I think they are the smallest sort of termite in a colony. Photo of multiple nasutes useful source useful source Burklemore1 (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Heat Exchanger?

I have heard that the shell of termites works as a heat exchanger in many ways..but have not been able to find any articles/websites/papers about the same..does anybody have any idea about the same? Ganesh 12:00, 21st Oct 2006 (IST)

The BBC has a good video on termites, termite mounds and their relation to temperature stabilization at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld07xdqnytkCharlesHBennett (talk) 02:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Whatwas the page blanked for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacevezon (talk • contribs) 05:05, 17 March 2007

Working on this

I will be doing a major expansion the time being after I fix an article I have been working on. I have noticed this article has been neglected and it's time this article will see a major cleanup. I have already done some improvements. Burklemore1 (talk) 06:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Just tacking on that one of the major improvements needed is to avoid primary sources. There are quite a few pieces of content directly citing the findings of primary studies. Since this is a broad topic, we shouldn't have issues getting review articles and secondary sources, so if we are going to mention a specific study, we should be citing a secondary source that mentions it instead to establish the weight of the specific claim (see WP:SCIRS for more info). The introduction section of primary journal articles could be ok for this too. I'm not going to nitpick on everything right now, so I'm just going through and tagging content that's a relatively strong statement that should have a secondary source backing it up. Otherwise we run the risk of dealing in original research in determining how valid certain claims are. Plus, we're not a journal, so we generally don't want to be pulling information from primary studies. That all being said, I'll stop back here in awhile to help with cleanup as well. It looks like it could be a fun topic to get up to speed with the literature on. Kingofaces43 (talk) 03:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, it could be that a section a tagged might be mundane enough that we can get by with the current source. We aren't here to summarize primary studies, so that's no preferred, but I'm mainly putting the tags in to note where it's worth a look for non-primary sources. Kingofaces43 (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

The Eusociality article has a good section on the paradox of eusociality and the need for other explanations than haplodiploidy in view of termites being diploid and yet universally eusocial, whereas bees are haplodiploid yet some are solitary.CharlesHBennett (talk) 02:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

How many species?

According to the text, "estimated 4,000 species (about 3,106 taxonomically known)"; according to the table, estimated 2,295 species. Pål Jensen (talk) 20:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Scientific name v. common name

This page is called Termite and has a redirect if you type in Isoptera the order that they are in. Shouldn't the title of this page be Isoptera to be consistent with other pages of other orders that stick to the scientific name and not the common name being used as the title. What do people think?

Tookoolforcupid (talk) 21:48, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Generally, we use the common name as the title when available and when it describes the entire grouping (e.g. try Diptera). For something like Hymenoptera or Lepidoptera, there are multiple common names for different groups within, but not one for the order. For this infraorder, I'm not aware of anything within being not being a termite, so we're actually being consistent with Wikipedia naming conventions on this page. Kingofaces43 (talk) 22:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Mound Materials

"These are elaborate structures made using a combination of soil, mud, chewed wood/cellulose, saliva, and faeces."

Mud is just wet soil if I'm not mistaken, so why list it separately, especially if Termites add moisture to it as part of their building process (saliva & faeces)? 142.161.57.230 (talk) 18:41, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Britannica

Obviously we want more up-to-date materials for scientific articles but for those interested in historical understandings of these critters, Wikisource has:

  • "Ant, sect. 'Termites'" , Encyclopædia Britannica, 9th ed., Vol. II, New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1878, p. 99–100.
  • "Termite" , Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th ed., Vol. XXVI, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1911, pp. 643 ff.

some of which might be used for a #History section here or be necessary to cite for passages we've copied from them. — LlywelynII 04:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I have been thinking of improving this article significantly again (not in the base shape right now) . This could prove very useful. Burklemore1 (talk) 06:13, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Improving

For notice, I am going to improve this article in one of my sandboxes. This will give me a chance to actually work on this with ease. Burklemore1 (talk) 06:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Radical changes

Since I am near to completion with the Termite article in my sandbox, I am going to make some radical changes in the next upcoming days. I would like to let users know of this just in case they intend on making major edits themselves. Burklemore1 (talk) 15:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

I'd say go for it. It's tough to pick out what the individual changes will be from the sandbox alone, so if you edit section by section (when possible) that would probably help keep track of what's being reworked. I'll be happy to look over it later as a second set of eyes for anything to potentially tweak. Kingofaces43 (talk) 16:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Before I incorporate the sandbox version live, I'll do a copyedit first. At the moment I'm not fully complete with the article, since I need to incorporate more about communication (mainly just mechanical cues), locomotion, some more bits of the anatomy, parasites, pathogens and viruses, as pests in general and in agriculture, and their role in the human culture. I'll do a little more with the diet too. I have removed some chunks in the main article though, most were unnecessary links and info based on unreliable sources. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Major edits beginning

I am now incorporating all of the info from the sandbox here. There may be a few errors and such in the reference section, but do not worry about this for the time being. Burklemore1 (talk) 12:37, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I started looking over between the current time and one of your first main edits[3] and overall it looks really good. The only thing I noticed is that quite a few sources were removed. I didn't dig into them too much, but was this mainly because they were redundant with other sources cited for the same content? We definitely aren't lacking for sources, so I just wanted to check on that. Kingofaces43 (talk) 00:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Burklemore1 I hadn't seen your comments here until just now. When I had questions, I've been asking them at User talk:Apokryltaros#Termite. Where would you like me to post any further questions I have? Corinne (talk) 01:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Kingofaces43 Some of the sources were redundant while others had no use, were primary sources you tagged and out dated (the one used to cite how many species in each family was a poor example of a reference to use). Feel free to ask me any questions if you would like to Corinne, I'll answer them with no problem. Out of curiosity, when you say the prose is not very good, is that only directed to certain areas? I'd be pretty disappointed if my efforts came down to nothing if the whole article is just as bad as it used to be. Burklemore1 (talk) 04:09, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Domination ?

mound species dominate the landscape I find this passage obscure. Surely the termites themselves do not dominate the landscape as it appears in sight. It is dominated by trees or possibly grasses. I don't even think that the mounds are that dominating. Is the intention to say that most termites are mound-building, or that most insects are mound-building termites, or that the mounds dominate the landscape (but not even that is true, is it)? --Ettrig (talk) 12:05, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I have changed the sentence by saying mounds are commonly seen in certain regions. Burklemore1 (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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I will be doing the review on this article. The article is quite long, so expect over a week for me to finish making my comments, which will be added a few at a time. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on, Stigmatella aurantiaca. I understand that this article will take awhile to review, owing to its size. I guess reviewing level 4 vital articles that attract over 300,000 viewers a year isn't easy either, so please take as much time as you want to review section by section. Also, I should note that some issues have been raised on my talk page in regards to this article, so please feel free to check them out as well. Burklemore1 (talk) 02:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Automated checks

Termite#As_an_energy_source appears to be copied from A Department Of Energy page on "Termite Power". I will be placing the GA review on hold until this oversight can be addressed. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 23:14, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

I recall this section being added a very long time ago, so I'll get around to this immediately.
@Stigmatella aurantiaca: I have rewritten the section. I have checked the Earwig's Copyvio Detector and there is now a 0.0% chance of a violation. See here.
OK, will remove maintenance tag in a few seconds. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Cool, I look forward to your comments! Burklemore1 (talk) 12:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Mixed British and American English. The earliest non-stub version of this article used British English, which should be the default and should be indicated as such with the appropriate template. The following is a list of American spellings which should be converted:

  • "colored": Taxobox (two instances)

Green tickY Done.

  • "labor": Lede (paragraph 2), Caste system (paragraph 1)

Green tickY Done.

  • "fecal": Taxonomy and phylogeny (paragraph 4), Diet (figure caption), Communication (paragraph 1), Nests (paragraph 2)

Green tickY Done.

  • "feces": Lede (paragraph 4), Diet (paragraph 1), Defence(paragraph 1), Nests (paragraph 2), Shelter tubes

Green tickY Done.

  • "odor": Communication (paragraph 2, two instances)

Green tickY Done.

  • In Mounds, "diametre" is a misspelling. Just because Brits spell "center" "centre", "meter" "metre", and "theater" "theatre" doesn't mean that they do the same with "diameter". See this discussion.
Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 06:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Hm, didn't know that. Done.

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something, but in that non-stub article I didn't notice any words that would be spelled differently in US and UK english. Weebro55 (talk) 03:47, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I should note that there has been a maintenance tag added by a bot from 2010, so we should still follow this with consistency.
  1. "...exposed timber can be made resistant to attack by impregnating it with creosote or other chemicals, but the most effective defence is a masonry foundation."
  2. "In some regions, notably arid tropical savannahs, termites construct extremely large and elabourate mounds to house their colonies."
Copy and paste the document into your word processor. To discover American spellings, set the proofing language to English (U.K.). To discover British spellings, set the proofing language to English (U.S.). That's much easier than trying to scan the document by eye. I think that there is probably some Wiki tool underlying the Peer review tool that we can access to discover how it determines the presence of mixed Englishes, but that gets into monobook.js installation hassles and is probably not as complete or accurate as using your word processor.
The Peer review tool is pretty picky, by the way. I'm not going to demand a clean slate from that tool for the simple reason that I disagree with a lot of what it has to say, MOS or no MOS. I may be mistaken, but it also doesn't seem to distinguish between main text and references when checking language usage.
Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Lede

  • "Termites were once in a separate order from cockroaches..." Slightly ambiguous wording, allowing a humorous misreading. Surely termites did not retroactively change their ancestry. Rather, humans modified their classification of termites. Try "Termites were once classified in a separate order from cockroaches..."

Green tickY Done.

  • "Termites were once in a separate order from cockroaches, but recent phylogenetic studies indicate that they evolved from close ancestors of cockroaches during the Jurassic or Triassic, but it is possible the first termites emerged during the Permian or even the Carboniferous." Run-on sentence. Split after the word "Triassic".

Green tickY Done.

  • "Like ants, and some bees and wasps" Superfluous comma.

Green tickY Removed.

  • "Each individual termite goes through an incomplete metamorphosis, which, unlike ants, proceeds through egg, nymph and adult stages." Excess comma after "metamorphosis" and slightly unclear sentence. Try "goes through an incomplete metamorphosis which, unlike the complete metamorphosis found in ants, proceeds through..."

Green tickY Done.

Etymology

  • "The name termite derives from Latin and Late Latin, from the word termes..." Remove excess comma.

Green tickY Done.

Taxonomy and phylogeny

  • "Most recently, this has led some authors to propose that termites be reclassified as a single family..." Unnecessary leading phrase and unclear pronoun antecedent. Does "this" refer to the hypothesis or the evidence? Try "These similarities have led some authors to propose that termites be reclassified as a single family..."

Green tickY Done.

  • "However, some researchers advocate the less drastic measure of retaining the termites as Termitoidae..." Somewhat non-encyclopedic language. Try "Other researchers advocate the more conservative measure of retaining the termites as Termitoidae..."

Green tickY Done.

  • "Other sources point to different time periods for the emergence of termites." Somewhat vague. A clearer foreshadowing of the text to come would be preferable.
  1. Begin a new paragraph, and try "Claims for an earlier time period for the emergence of termites stand on controversial footing," or some other such wording.

Green tickY Your suggestion is good enough, so I have used it.

  1. "The folded wings of this fossil, called Pycnoblattina..." What fossil? Unclear pronoun antecedent. Try "The folded wings of the fossil wood roach Pycnoblattina..."

Green tickY Done.

  1. "All of the Paleozoic and Triassic insects formerly believed to be termites have been determined to be unrelated to termites and are excluded from the Isoptera." You need to make it clear that Krishna et al. stand directly opposed to Weesner (1960), Tilyard (1937), and Henry (2013). Try "On the other hand, Krishna et al. consider that all of the Paleozoic and Triassic insects tentatively classified as termites are in fact unrelated to termites and should be excluded from the Isoptera."

Green tickY Done.

  • "It has long been accepted that termites are closely related to cockroaches and mantids, and they are classified in the same superorder (Dictyoptera), but new research has shed light on termite evolution.[20][21] There is now strong evidence suggesting that termites are really highly specialised wood-eating cockroaches.[22]" Eliminate cliched phrase "shed light". Try "It has long been accepted that termites are closely related to cockroaches and mantids, and they are classified in the same superorder (Dictyoptera).[20][21] There is strong evidence suggesting that termites are highly specialised wood-eating cockroaches.[22]"

Green tickY Done.

  • "A study conducted by scientists has found that, out of all cockroaches, one genus of cockroach, Cryptocercus, shares the strongest phylogenetical similarity with termites; Cryptocercus is considered to be a sister-group to termites.[23][24]" Verbose. Try "The cockroach genus Cryptocercus shares the strongest phylogenetical similarity with termites and is considered to be a sister-group to termites.[23][24]"

Green tickY Done.

  • "The oldest termite nest discovered is believed to be from the Upper Cretaceous in west Texas, and the oldest known faecal pellets were also discovered." Unclear. I assume that you mean "The oldest termite nest discovered is believed to be from the Upper Cretaceous in west Texas, where the oldest known faecal pellets were also discovered." Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 04:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Done. By the way, I have done some additional edits to the first paragraph of this section, just so any potential errors are left forgotten.

  • Krishna et al. (2013) is cited as the source of the abbreviated classification scheme that you present. Comparing the SUMMARY CLASSIFICATION OF ISOPTERA beginning on page 183 with the classification presented in the article, I see some significant differences. The abbreviated classification scheme that you present divides Isoptera into three clades, Euisoptera, Neoisoptera, and Icoisoptera, the first two described by Engel, Grimaldi, and Krishna (2009) which was the primary source for the scheme presented in Krishna et al. (2013), while Icoisoptera derives from Engel (2013).
  1. Krishna et al. (2013) do not place Mastotermitidae under Euisoptera
  2. Krishna et al. (2013) place Kalotermitidae directly within Euisoptera
  3. None of the references in your abbreviated classification are complete. I especially wanted to follow up on Engel (2013) but couldn't.
  4. Basically, since the clade Icoisoptera represents (Kalotermitidae + Neoisoptera), its relative placement in the classification scheme that you present is confusing to me. Clade Icoisoptera would seem to be represented by the three lineages to the top right of the figure "Evolutionary Relationships of Blattodea".
  • I see two courses of action that you may take:
  1. Either follow Krishna et al. (2013) exactly down to the subfamily level, without rearrangement, in which case you may omit the frustratingly incomplete references, or
  2. Present your revised version of the classification scheme from Krishna et al. (2013), but if you do so, you must provide complete references.
  3. I do not like the second option because it smacks of WP:OR
Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 04:39, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Hm... With the list you provided, is that the one we should use to make that part accurate and correct? Burklemore1 (talk) 05:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Only a suggestion, to let you see how it would look without the clutter of incomplete references. You need to double-check for accuracy. I just removed an "extinct" tag from Termopsidae when I followed the link to the Wikipedia article. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 05:41, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I knew I should have looked at this twice. Crap, it was actually here before I started to work on the article, so I should have verified it. Is the content provided *from* page 183 to be exact? If so, we should use that. Burklemore1 (talk) 05:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I omitted extinct families of uncertain classification that were given Latin designations such as "Family incertae sedis" and "Nomina dubia" meaning, basically, that nobody knew exactly what to do with them. Maybe the fossils were too fragmentary to properly assess, etc.
So far as "exact" goes, I originally had the "extinct" tag next to Termopsidae because of the cross next to the entry in Krishna et al. But I removed it when the Wikipedia link spoke of extant genera. So no, it doesn't have to be slavishly exact.
Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 06:21, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
I just viewed the content on page 183 and on, so pretty much what you have provided above is correct and we should use it. I'll modify the reference as a journal too and add a download link in the url. Burklemore1 (talk) 06:28, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Green tickY Updated classification based on your recommendations.

Distribution and diversity

  • "where mounds are frequently seen in certain regions." Try "extremely abundant" or other such wording.

Green tickY Done.

  • "These species are restricted to specific habitats" Try ""These species are each restricted"

Green tickY Done.

  • "Termites are also considered to be a major source (11%) of atmospheric methane, one of the prime greenhouse gases.[35]" Seems that this sentence more properly belongs somewhere in Behaviour and ecology or Relationship with humans, although it not obvious to me exactly where it fits.

Green tickY Moved to "diet". It's a result of the breakdown of cellulose.

Description

  • "Lateral ocelli, however, are not found in all termites." A discussion of the "unfortunately labelled 'lateral ocelli'" (which are actually dorsal ocelli) may be found here.

Green tickY Ah, so I guess I worded this incorrectly. Fixed, I think.

I dunno, because use of the misleading (and apparently technically incorrect?) term "lateral ocelli" appears to be standard. For example, see Weesner (1969) p. 22 and Roonwall and Chhotani (1965) p. 101. Cockroaches certainly have dorsal ocelli as seen in this reference, which clearly distinguishes between the dorsal ocelli of adults and the lateral ocelli of larvae, and here (p 496 ¶ 2) but other references refer to the lateral ocelli of cockroaches. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Hm, this one has me think but I'm not sure what to do with it. My edits probably just added some inaccuracy, but apparently it's incorrect. It does clearly say lateral ocelli in Page 7, so do you have any suggestion in mind?
It is not clear to me to what extent the disparaging remark "unfortunately labelled 'lateral ocelli'" in Simple_eye_in_invertebrates#Dorsal_ocelli may represent WP:OR. The references in that article are inadequate. After thinking it over, I recommend not Wikilinking to that article, but to instead to rely on the usage in the reliable secondary source that you cited.
Green tickY Delinked and reverted back to lateral ocelli based on what the source presents.
  • "This includes a scape, one of the three basic segments on the insect antennae, a pedicel, the second segment, which is typically shorter than the scape, and finally the flagellum, which refers to all the segments beyond the scape and pedicel." The elements of the comma-delimited list are intermingled with appositive phrases, also delimited by commas. This is rather confusing. Try using parenthetical phrases instead. "This includes a scape (one of the three basic segments on the insect antennae), a pedicel (the second segment, which is typically shorter than the scape), and finally the flagellum (all segments beyond the scape and pedicel)."

Green tickY Done.

  • "which is present in species that climb on smooth surfaces but absent in most termites." Broken parallel structure. Try "but is absent"

Green tickY Done.

  • "When a termite is in flight, the wings remain at a right angle, and when at rest, remain parallel to the body." Try "When a termite is in flight, its wings remain at a right angle, and when the termite is at rest, its wings remain parallel to the body."

Green tickY Done. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk)

Caste system

Green tickY Done.

  • "components that are nitrogenous" Try "nitrogenous components"

Green tickY Done.

  • "a soldier's globular (phragmotic) head can be used to block their narrow tunnels." This is taking passive voice to an extreme. Try "soldiers may use their globular (phragmotic) heads to block their narrow tunnels."

Green tickY Yeah, sometimes I have problems with passive voice. Done.

  • "These unique soldiers have the ability to biosynthesize diterpenes,[54] and nitrogen fixation plays an important role in nutrition for nasutes.[55]" Try "These unique soldiers are able to spray noxious, sticky secretions containing diterpenes at their enemies.[54] Nitrogen fixation plays an important role in nasute nutrition.[55]" or some other such wording.

Green tickY Done.

  • "In order for mass egg-laying production..." Ungrammatical. Fix.

Green tickY Fixed.

  • "These swarms also attract a wide variety of predators." Remove word "also"

Green tickY Done.

Life cycle

  • "but, unlike bees or ants" Eliminate superfluous comma

Green tickY Done.

  • "workers also take part in the social life of the colony and have certain other tasks to accomplish." Vague. What other tasks?

Green tickY Added some examples.

  • "Pheromones are said to regulate the caste system in termite colonies, preventing all but a very few of the termites from becoming fertile queens." This is the sort of guarded wording (see WP:ALLEGED) that one might use if all one had to go on were a limited number of primary sources like Matsuura et al. (2010) so as to avoid WP:OR, but the validity of Matsuura et al.'s observations have been attested to by multiple secondary reviews such as this [4] or this Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 02:54, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Removed unnecessary wording (are said to) and added a new secondary source to the claim.

Reproduction

  • "Termites going through incomplete metamorphosis on the path to becoming alates form a subcaste in certain species of termite, functioning as potential supplementary reproductives, but this usually develops upon the death of a king or queen, or when the primary reproductives (the king and queen) are separated from the colony." Please clarify what you mean by "this usually develops." Do you mean that
1. Creation of the caste of potential supplementary reproductives only occurs upon the death/separation of a king or queen? (This doesn't make much sense.) Or do you mean
2. Further development of these potential supplementary reproductives into mature reproductives only occurs upon the death/separation of a king or queen?
3. Also note that the sentence is overly long and should be split.

Green tickY Supplementary reproductives only take over when the queen or king dies (and thus they develop into mature reproductives), so option number two sounds more logical. I have also rewritten a few parts of the sentence and split it.

Behaviour and ecology

Diet

  • "Termites are also considered to be a major source..." Delete the word "also"

Green tickY Done.

  • "to digest the cellulose for them, and absorb the end products for their own use." Try "to digest the cellulose for them, allowing them to absorb the end products for their own use."

Green tickY Done.

  • "it is strongly presumed that the termites' and cockroaches gut microbiota" The word "cockroaches'" should also be in possessive form.

Green tickY Done.

  • "Certain species such as Gnathamitermes tubiformans have seasonal food habits and often consume particular food sources in a given season. For example, the Red three-awn (Aristida longiseta) is frequently eaten during the summer, while Buffalograss (Buchloe dactyloides) is an important food source from May to August. Blue grama Bouteloua gracilis grass is an essential food source to their diet during spring, summer and autumn." First sentence is active voice but following sentences switch to passive and then back to active. Please maintain voice consistency. For example, "Certain species such as Gnathamitermes tubiformans have seasonal food habits. For example, they may preferentially consume Red three-awn (Aristida longiseta) during the summer, Buffalograss (Buchloe dactyloides) from May to August, and blue grama Bouteloua gracilis during spring, summer and autumn."

Green tickY Done.

  • "Colonies rarely consume food during spring, but feeding activity in autumn is high." Please clarify. Feeding activity was lowest in the spring, but the sentence seems to imply that the termites actually starved. It also isn't clear that you are still discussing G. tubiformans.

Green tickY Clarified.

  • "In one study, it was found that particular termite species prefer poplar and maple woods to other woods that were generally rejected by the termite colony." Begin a new paragraph. Even though the reference specifically studied Cryptotermes brevis as a primary source, the article's introductory literature review can be considered a secondary source enabling a much more general statement. For example: "Different woods have differing degrees of susceptibility to termite attack, the differences being attributed to such factors as moisture content, hardness, and resin and lignin content. In one study, the drywood termite Cryptotermes brevis strongly preferred poplar and maple woods to other woods that were generally rejected by the termite colony. These preferences may in part have represented conditioned or learned behaviour."

Green tickY Done. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 04:17, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Predators

  • "the extinct primate Paranthropus robustus is said to have used a bone tool to catch termites 1–1.8 million years ago" A reliable secondary source would allow removal of WP:ALLEGED. McHenry and Coffing (2000) and Susman (1991) might potentially be such reviews, but at the moment, although I can log in to JSTOR, I get a "Page Loading Error" trying to load the articles on to my shelf. I doubt that the file server issue will get resolved over the weekend. Maybe you can check Monday?

Mine seems to be working fine, so I can go through the reviews. I can only access McHenry and Coffing though, and it seems there is no information about termites. Also, is this review okay?

  • The introductory literature review looks generally supportive of the hypothesis, and the primary research in the latter part of the article adds to the evidence. So you can use considerably stronger language, without, of course, pretending to absolute certainty. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 16:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try and reword the sentence and add the source in. Have you had any luck accessing the full text for any JSTOR article?
The full text of Susman is not available on JSTOR, so if I have a chance, I will try visiting the local university campus later today to use their computers. So far as wording goes, try something like "Wear pattern analysis of bone tools used by Paranthropus robustus suggests that they used these tools to dig into termite mounds" or some other such wording. Such precise wording is important because many readers will be familiar with Jane Goodalls's work on tool use in chimpanzees, and the image that comes to mind is that of using twigs as termite "fishing" tools. The primary and secondary sources that I've followed up on all use carefully guarded wording, so you should reflect the guarded wording of the sources. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 09:56, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Green tickY I have used your recommendation. This issue was quite challenging, but thanks for the assist! I'll keep this into consideration until we have managed to find the full text of Susman.
From our point of view, Sussman (1991) was disappointing. Basically, he established that the weight of evidence pointed to Paranthropus robustus being indeed a tool user. Article had nothing to do with termites. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 15:07, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Heh, that's a shame. :/ We could have had a potential great source to use. Burklemore1 (talk) 15:42, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
  • "and so the termites are regularly predated on by these ants" Try "preyed on"

Green tickY Done. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 11:34, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Parasites, pathogens and viruses

  • No specific comment on this section, but a general comment on the article as a whole: you seem to have a great love of semicolons; sometimes the effect is that of a comma splice; sometimes a period would be better; use semicolons to connect related ideas, but don't use semicolons to to tie together ideas that have only a distant connection with each other; use them sparingly. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 12:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll go through section by section.

Green tickY Made some edits, although I'm not sure if I got rid of all unnecessary semicolons.
Much improved, thanks!
By the way, in the absence of predation, disease, etc. how long do workers and soldiers live? Do G. tubiformans colonies consume less food during spring due to seasonal changes in colony size or what? Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
No worries! Unfortunately I cannot answer your question, because I do not have full access to the source and so I am unable to find such information. I could email a user I know of who has access to journals though.

Locomotion and foraging

  • "Chemicals such as acetamiprid can impair the locomotion of termites.[122]" Seems to me that this information belongs to an entirely separate article on pest control.

Green tickY Removed.

  • "communication among individuals is facilitated through the use of semiochemicals, and[125] trail pheromones released from the sternal gland are laid down by workers who begin to forage outside of their nest." Passive voice surrounded by sentences using active voice. Also, reference [125] probably goes after the comma.

Green tickY Removed passive voice and reorganised ref.

  • "Lévy flight behaviour may occur in isolated termite workers." Needs to be expanded slightly, since the wikilinked article doesn't get into biological implications until well after the typical reader may have stopped reading. How about "Isolated termite workers may engage in Lévy flight behaviour as an optimized stategy for finding their nestmates or foraging for food" or some other such rewording.

Green tickY Done.

Competition

  • "Studies show that, when termites encounter each other" Superfluous comma

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Done.

Communication

  • "Some species, such as Hodotermes mossambicus, have compound eyes which they use for orientation and to distinguish sunlight from moonlight." How does this fit into a section on Communication? Perhaps this statement belongs somewhere in Description?

Green tickY Moved.

  • "Due to this last ability, termites can forage during the day and night." How does this follow as a logical continuation of the immediately preceding sentence? What does the ability to to distinguish sunlight from moonlight have to do with the ability to forage?

Green tickY Removed.

Defence

  • "These tunnel-blocking soldiers are regarded as walking bombs, as the soldiers who block the tunnels explode as an act of defence and to block the tunnel." This description of soldiers engaging in autothysis seems a bit on the hyperbolic side, not quite encyclopedic. Also, this behavior is not universal, as is evident from later on in this section.

Green tickY Did a rewrite, by clarifying it occurs in some species and removed some odd wording such as "walking bombs".

  • "If an invasion carried out by Megaponera analis is successful, an entire colony may be destroyed although this scenario is rare." Add wikilink to Megaponera analis and a comma after "destroyed."

Green tickY Done.

  • "to attract other soldiers for defence and recruit additional workers to repair any breach." Parallel structure: "and to recruit additional workers"

Green tickY Done.

  • "This head-banging response to vibration is also useful when attempting to locate termites in house frames." Is useful to pest control personnel? Inspectors? Exterminators?

Green tickY Removed statement, in the end I found it unnecessary. I'm also not sure how useful this is for pest control and such.

  • "Additionally, an alarmed termite will bump into other termites which cause them to be alarmed and leave pheromone trails" Number agreement and parallel structure. "Additionally, an alarmed termite will bump into other termites which causes them to be alarmed and to leave pheromone trails"

Green tickY Done.

  • "A wide variety of monoterpene hydrocarbons as solvents" Try "A wide variety of monoterpene hydrocarbon solvents"

Green tickY Done.

  • "The soldiers of the neotropical termite family Serritermitidae, have a defence strategy" Superfluous comma

Green tickY Removed.

  • "in which a nestmate will carry away a corpse from the colony and dispose of it elsewhere" Try "from the colony to dispose of it elsewhere"

Green tickY Done.

  • "Instead, workers use other strategies to deal with their dead" Try "Alternatively, workers use other strategies"

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 04:57, 13 October 2015 (UTC) Green tickY Done.

Relationship with other organisms

  • "This chemical mimicry allows the beetle to integrate itself within the termite colony." Wait a minute. In the section on Parasites, pathogens and viruses, one reads "Inquilinism does not occur in the termite world." This seems a direct contradiction of the previous statement.

Green tickY It does not occur between two termite species. I have clarified.

Green tickY Rewritten by saying the termites are captured as a fresh food source.

  • "Some species, including Nasutitermes corniger, form associations with certain ant species to keep away predatory ant species." Another example of inquilinism, unless I misunderstand the definition of the word.

Green tickY I was meant to say inquilinism between two termite species does not occur (I haven't heard of a termite queen and king entering another colony of a different species and form some sort of parasitic association).

  • " has been developed in Australia and uses a range of plant extracts to create a paint-on nontoxic termite barrier" Try "that uses a range of plant extracts"

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 05:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC) Green tickY Done.

Nests

  • "Nests only transform into mounds if the structure protrudes from the earth, and is made out of the soil." Please clarify. I'm a bit confused by the use of the word "transform." As I understand it, nests are variously classified as mound nests, arboreal nests, subterranean nests, and wood nests (with no ground contact). So it sound to me like the word "transform" is being used here as a term of definition: Would nests be called "mounds" if they contact the ground and use earth or mud in their construction???

Green tickY Removed "transform". Also clarified sentence.

  • "retaining a stable climate within the colony and against predators." Try "and providing defense against predators" or some other word like "shelter" or "protection."

Green tickY Done.

  • "Most termites construct amorphous underground colonies" I do not believe that "amorphous" would be the right word. Termite nests have a lot of structure, with galleries, hallways, and tunnels.

Green tickY Good point, removed word.

  • "Termites primarily build their nests using faeces, which are good materials to use for construction.[174]" Try "which has many desirable properties as a construction material.[174]"

Green tickY Done.

  • "Other building material includes partly digested plant material, which creates carton nests" Try "Other building materials employed include partly digested plant material, used in carton nests"

Green tickY Done.

  • "and soil, which produces nests and mounds." Try "and soil, used in subterranean nest and mound construction."

Green tickY Done.

  • "Species in the subfamily Apicotermitinae are good examples, as they only dwell inside amorphous tunnels.[174]" Try "are good examples of subterranean nest builders" Also watch out for the word "amorphous"

Green tickY Done.

  • "Nests and mounds also provide a fortification against predators, due to their extreme vulnerability." Unclear pronoun antecedent. Does "their extreme vulnerability" mean that the nests and mounds are vulnerable? Are the predators vulnerable?

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 22:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Clarified.

Mounds

  • "Mounds located in areas with high rainfall are at risk of mound erosion." Why? Because they are made largely of mud and soil?

Green tickY Looking at the source, they erode because of torrential and continuous rainfall, which would probably weaken the surface (owing to the construction materials).

  • "The nest is thicker around the east-west axis when compared to the north-west axis (three metres versus one metre)." This doesn't sound right. Are you sure that the nests aren't thicker along the north-south axis when compared with the east-west axis?

I'm sure, it says so here. Unless you have a source that contests that statement?

  • During the summer, the Sun shines directly overhead over the northern parts of Australia. The mental image that I get from the description at the Australian museum website is of wedge-shaped mounds oriented in an east-west (?) direction that, in the summer, presents a minimal profile to the Sun throughout the day, from morning to evening, while presenting a greater cross-sectional profile during the winter when the Sun is lower in the sky.
  • In contrast, the mental image that I get from all other sources, for example, this one, is of of wedge-shaped mounds oriented in a north-south direction that present a large surface area to the Sun in the morning for quick warm-up, a minimal profile at noon, and a large surface area in the evening, the net effect being to stabilize internal nest temperatures throughout the day in desert areas that exhibit extreme variations between hot daytime temperatures and chilly nights.
"The possible thermoregulatory significance of north-south orientation of "magnetic" termite nests was investigated. Measurements in the nest during three days in early winter showed that a temperature plateau developed between approximately 1000 and 1730 hr each day, at 33-35C. This contrasted with night time temperatures as low as 13-15°C. The nest was then sawn off at the base and rotated into an experimental east-west orientation. In this situation no plateau was detected and temperatures rose to daily maxima of 40-42°C. Apparently north-south orientation of the wedge-shaped mound affords rapid warming in the morning, avoids excessive heating by presenting a low profile to the midday sun, and maintains the warmth of the nest late into the day."
  • The simplest option of stabilizing nest temperatures, simply going underground, appears to be denied these termites because of occasional floods.
  • Regardless of the authority of the source, the wording of the description on its website seems unsuited to conveying the meaning that is intended. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 11:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Good point. I feel like this statement is going to be problematic and hold us back, so should we just scrap that info and use the text provided in the source you gave here instead?
  • Agree. The Australian Museum doesn't necessarily have full-time termite experts on their staff, and I rather suspect that the task of writing the text on that page may have been assigned to a junior docent who misread the source material. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
OK, I will try and and carefully write the sentence, as I haven't fully familiarised myself with the material. Burklemore1 (talk) 09:08, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Green tickY Rewritten, but I may have screwed up the meaning implied in the source. Can you double check? Burklemore1 (talk) 10:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
  • "During winter, the mound can be kept warm when the sun is shining at a lower angle above the mound." How do they manage that? I know that a lot of research follows compass termites as they move about the interiors of their mounds during different parts of the day. Mound orientations are also not necessarily strictly north-south, but differ according to local environmental conditions. But the sentence as written seems to imply something else that I don't understand.

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 22:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Removed.

Shelter tubes

  • "these shelter tubes can be found on walls and other structures." Sentence should start with a capital.

Green tickY Done.

  • "Normally, shelter tubes are less than a foot in height, but some tubes can exceed six feet." My general impression of shelter tubes is that they are about the diameter of a pencil and up to 60 feet long. I find it very difficult to envision six foot tall shelter tubes.

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 22:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY Removed, since it would be quite difficult envisioning them. However, termites are the masters of construction, so in a way it wouldn't surprise me if I ever saw a gigantic shelter tube.

Relationship with humans

As pests

  • "In April 2011, wood-eating termites were blamed for reportedly consuming more than $220,000 worth of Indian rupee notes." This is an amusing story, but does not really belong in an encyclopedia article.

Green tickY Removed.

  • "To better control the population of termites..." thru "Researchers hope to use this method of tracking termites to find a more cost-effective way of controlling the damaging pests." Wikipedia is not a science newsletter. The tone of this section is all, wow, this is latest and greatest research, but in actuality, the news is from 2010. Begin a new paragraph and try improving on the following, which is only provided to illustrate a more proper tone and is not intended to be the final form of a reworded section:
  • "To better control the population of termites, various research methods have been developed to track termite movements. One early method involved distributing termite bait laced with immunoglobulin G (IgG) marker proteins from rabbits or chickens. Termites collected from the field could be tested for the rabbit-IgG markers using a rabbit-IgG-specific assay. More recently developed, less expensive alternatives include tracking the termites using egg white, cow milk, or soy milk proteins, which can be sprayed on termites in the field.[190] Termites bearing these proteins can be traced using a protein-specific ELISA test."
Green tickY Done, it's more simplified and less dragged on. Also saves some space in the article altogether and avoids the section being overly detailed. I recall this being the most problematic section of the article. Before I started working on it, the section was more like a "howto" guide. It also went into unnecessary detail about the chemicals used for pest removal.

As food

  • "Termites are consumed in many regions globally, but this practice has only become popular in recent years" This statement seems contradicted by immediately following statements. Do you mean that termite consumption has only become popular in developed nations in recent years?

Green tickY Done.

  • "Researchers have suggested that termites are suitable candidates for human consumption in space." Maybe push this statement to the end of the section. Early in the section, it seems a bit out of place. Please explain why they would be suitable (quality of protein, ease of production, other useful ecological roles). The main cited article is available online.

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2015 (UTC) Green tickY Added some more info.

In agriculture and science

  • "where termite tunnels in the soil allow rainwater to soak in deeply and help reduce runoff and consequent soil erosion" Try "deeply, which helps reduce runoff and consequent soil erosion"

Green tickY Done.

  • "cultivated plants such as eucalyptus, upland rice and sugarcane can be severely damaged by termite infestations, feeding on leaves, roots and woody tissue." Try "with attacks on leaves, roots and woody tissue."

Green tickY Done.

  • "Researchers at Harvard University have developed autonomous robots..." Hmmm. Maybe re-title this section as "In agriculture" and the next section as "In science and technology" and move the autonomous robots stuff to the next section?

Green tickY Done.

As an energy source

  • As suggested above, this could be a "science and technology" section into which you can move the robots stuff.

Green tickY Done.

  • Reads like a science digest newsletter, but the "news" is from 2006. See if you can alter the tone to be more encyclopedic.

Green tickY Did some tweaks, but I'm not sure if I have completely fixed the issue.

In culture

  • No real comments. Given the nature of the material covered in this section, it is difficult to avoid the newsy tone. See what you can do to tone down the newsletter style, but I don't expect much.
Upon reading the section, I'm not sure what can exactly can be toned down. Do you have any specific sentences that may need to be rewritten slightly?
I'll try my hand at this when I go through the final re-read. Thanks for taking care of the icon on Fizeau experiment, by the way. Something seems to be wrong with legobot. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
No worries, you were definitely right when you said it would be difficult to avoid the particular tone we wish to avoid. And that's okay, legobot briefly worked again when it posted two notices about some of my GA nominees passing, but that's about it. Burklemore1 (talk) 03:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Figures

  • An excellent selection of figures, well integrated with the text. Usually I find something to gripe about (poorly worded captions, misplaced figures, figures that seem purely decorative, etc.) Good job!
Thank you, picking images for the article was surprisingly difficult, especially for a topic that is frequently photographed and studied.

Beginning re-read

  • Over the next couple of days, I will be going over the entire article to catch things that I missed, making minor changes as necessary.

Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 10:32, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

No worries, it seems the article is incredibly close to achieving GA status, which is great. It's especially satisfying because this article was so neglected over the years, could you imagine it looked like this at the beginning of this year? It was just a mess.

I've asked Corinne to do a final check before I promote. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 13:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

No problem, I like the new addition you have added to the article by the way, interesting stuff.
Stigmatella aurantiaca I've left a few questions for you on my talk page at User talk:Corinne#Termite (energy source section) (they're not all about that section). See everything after your last comment. Corinne (talk) 23:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to add any additional comments here.
1) In the fourth paragraph in the section Termite#Defence, we read:
  • The pantropical subfamily Nasutitermitinae has a specialised caste of soldiers, known as nasutes, that have the ability to exude noxious liquids through a horn-like nozzle frontal projection (nasus) that they use for defence.
In the phrase "a horn-like nozzle frontal projection", I wonder whether there aren't too many modifiers (descriptive words before the noun). I think "a horn-like frontal projection" would be sufficient; it conjures up an image of a nozzle. If you really want the word "nozzle", then perhaps supply it as a different way of saying it, something like this:
  • a horn-like frontal projection, or nozzle, (nasus) that they use for defence.
but think about perhaps omitting it altogether.
Green tickY Retainted text, but removed "nozzle" and other words. In the end it seemed too cluttered to describe a single thing.
2) The last sentence of the fifth paragraph in Termite#Defence is:
  • Soldiers outside and attacked by intruders engage in autothysis when they are inside the nest entrance, denying entry to any attacker.
This sentence is not clear. "Soldiers outside and attacked by intruders engage in autothysis when they are inside the...entrance"? When the soldiers are outside the nest and are attacked, do they move into the entrance? How far away were they? Or are the soldiers in the entrance to begin with? I think this needs to be a bit more precise.
Green tickY I have watched documentaries about termites, and it shows that some soldiers patrol areas reasonably far away, and then you have groups closer to the colony and others guarding the holes. It all depends. Because the soldiers far away are probably killed by the time the invaders reach the nest, I think this is only exclusive to those guarding holes (where they blow themselves up, successfully blocking the tunnels). Did some minor editing, please double check.
3) I'd like to draw your attention to these two sentences in the sixth paragraph in Termite#Defence:
  • To avoid pathogens, termites occasionally engage in necrophoresis, in which a nestmate will carry away a corpse from the colony to dispose of it elsewhere. Alternatively, workers use other strategies to deal with their dead, including burying, cannibalism, and avoiding the corpse altogether.
The way this is worded, the strategies listed in the second sentence sound like the least-used strategies, but upon re-reading the first sentence, I see that necrophresis is occasionally used, so that must mean the other strategies are (at least collectively) the more commonly used ones. It's a bit confusing. I'm wondering whether it wouldn't make more sense to put the second sentence first, omit "Alternatively", and make this a kind of topic (introductory) sentence for the paragraph:
Workers use several different strategies to deal with their dead, including burying, cannibalism, and avoiding a corpse altogether. To avoid pathogens, termites occasionally engage in necrophoresis, in which a nestmate will carry away a corpse from the colony to dispose of it elsewhere. Which strategy used depends on...
Green tickY Used your suggestion. It makes a lot more sense and flows better.
4) In the section Termite#Relationship with other organisms, at the end of the first paragraph we read about a beetle that successfully mimics chemicals, allowing it to live inside the termite nest. I wonder whether it wouldn't make sense to add a sentence that indicates what the beetle then does. Does it then prey upon termites inside the nest?
I haven't been able to find a source that goes in depth, and the one I provided has restricted access. I did add a new sentence of a different form of mimicry by beetles though.
Various species of Trichopsenius have been documented as being fed by termite workers, engaging in grooming activities with workers, and riding on the backs of queens.[5] They don't prey on the termites, but they do take advantage of them. For example, a queen's body apparently makes a nice surface for a romp.[6] I don't think such salacious details need to go into an encyclopedia article, however. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 17:23, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Oh. I have been looking around to find such info, so I thought it just wasn't available.
5) In the second paragraph of that section are the following two sentences:
  • Certain ants also conduct raids on termite colonies. Ants in the subfamily Ponerinae usually conduct these raids although other ants go in alone to steal the eggs or nymphs.
In the first sentence you say, "Certain ants...conduct raids..." In the second sentence you say, "Ants in the subfamily Ponerinae usually conduct these raids". I assume when you say (in the first sentence) "certain ants", you mean "certain species of ants". So singling out one in the second sentence and saying that species "usually" conducts these raids makes one wonder: why "usually"? Usually compared to what? Is it the ant species most often engaged in conducting raids on termite nests? Also, in the last part of the second sentence beginning with "although", by "other ants", I assume you mean "other species of ants", not other individual ants, but that could be a little clearer. Also, why not mention the species?
Green tickY Did some edits, by saying that certain species in Ponerinae conduct raids. Also, the source is not specific with the species.
6) The next sentence:
  • Ants such as Megaponera analis attack termites while Dorylinae ants attack underground.
is really unclear.
(a) How does this sentence relate to the previous sentence? Are either of these species in the groups mentioned in the previous sentence? If not, why not?
(b) The way this sentence is structured, the two species, Megaponera analis and Dorylinae are contrasted (with "while"), but where is the contrast? One attacks termites and the other attacks – what? – underground?
Does it help if I changed it to "and"?
Burklemore1 No. Even if you substitute "and", there's got to be some kind of balance between the two halves of the sentence, the two items:
  • One attacks termites and the other attacks....... (what?), or
Okay, did some clarification.
7) In the second-to-last sentence in that section, what are "cross treated samples". Corinne (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Changed it because the source was discussing about the food (the plant), and I thought it'd be more straightforward.

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@Burklemore1: @Corinne: This has absolutely nothing to do with the current GA nomination; I am ready to promote the article as soon as you two indicate that you are finished. I am, however, looking ahead to where you and Corinne decide that this article is ready to nominate for FA. Making the article accessible to low-vision users employing screen readers is, in my opinion, rather important to any article aspiring to a featured status. I've started adding some alt text to a few figures. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 20:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

First, I think we should get alternative opinions from other editors who are not familiar with the article and see what they think about it. We could do a peer review to address additional comments if we do wish to work this up to FA status, but sometimes the process can be disappointing (people nowadays usually don't pay attention to insect articles, which makes it a lot more difficult). I'm fine with the alt text to some of the figures, it's necessary to make sure this article can cater to all readers. Burklemore1 (talk) 03:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Most editors don't concern themselves with alt text and don't consider it at all in FA decisions. I do, for various reasons that I don't need to go into. GA is usually pretty straightforward, unless you get a reviewer who is into petty displays of power. FA is a long, tedious, often frustrating process that lots of people don't care to subject themselves to. I've never attempted it and probably never will. It's up to you whether you want to try it. Let's finish with GA first, though. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 03:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I think it's a nice addition and I fully support its incorporation. All of my reviewers including yourself have been great to me and the usual result is a very nicely done article. Banded sugar ant is the only article I have promoted to FA. Its far smaller than Termite, yet the process was well over a month. If I want to try it, I want the opinions of other editors to see if it's worthy. But yes, we should focus on GA first. Burklemore1 (talk) 04:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, I think I have addressed all of the comments you and Corinne have raised, although I need one of you to double check my recent addition. Aside from that, do you guys have anymore comments? Burklemore1 (talk) 05:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

GA

Made a few corrections and promoted. Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 05:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for undertaking this review, your professionalism and outstanding job should be pursued by others in the future. This is the perhaps the most detailed review I have gone through yet, and I'm also grateful for your help, copyediting and contributions to the article. Thank you also to Corinne, who did an outstanding job with copyediting, contributing and raising additional issues which helped so much. So thank you guys for this excellent review. Burklemore1 (talk) 06:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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Bfpage, only just saw this, but it's never late to thank you for recognising our achievements! :-) Burklemore1 (talk) 02:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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Isoptera-Behavior and Ecology

Please see the new article Isoptera-Behavior and Ecology. It was redirected to Termite#Behaviour and ecology, but that was reverted. jonkerz ♠talk 11:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I've reinstated the redirect. We'll see if it sticks with this new user, but there's no reason to make an entirely separate page when it's already described as a core part of this article. Kingofaces43 (talk) 15:13, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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section 'shelter tubes' picture

the picture box contains this explanation: "Nasutiterminae shelter tubes on a tree trunk provide cover for the trail from nest to forest floor." - but there is something wrong with this: a single tube is seen to follow up the tree trunk and then branching to several tubes that continue up the tree branches. I dont know where the termite shelter is supposed to be (it is not seen on the picture), but if it is on one of the branches, then it is connected by ONE of the tubes to the forest floor and the other tubes are connecting the nest with the forest foliage-level, or perhaps with other nests on top of other tree branches. Please, if you have enough information to judge this, change the explanatory text in the picture box accordingly. 80.99.38.199 (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2017 (UTC).

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"invasive" species

It would be useful to know in what countries this species of termite is considered invasive. A citation would be good too.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

"Early" English

What is meant here? How early? When? Clarification is needed... MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Taxonomy section badly needs revision

The taxonomy section is very incoherent. Various sections do not comport with each other. For instance, the order Blattaria and the infraorder Isoptera are not figured anywhere in the tree - are these even correct?

According to the Entomological Association of America, termites are now categorized in the order Blattodea in several families, such as Kalotermitidae and Rhinotermitidae.

See further here: https://www.entsoc.org/common-names?title=&field_scientific_name_value=&tid=BLATTODEA&tid_1=&tid_2=&tid_3=&tid_4=

In any event, this section makes very little sense and is need of a serious overhaul.

Enbrightenment (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I had a look and found that the taxonomic history was indeed a bit jumbled. There was also some inconsistency - but the taxobox does not seem to allow the easy addition of an epifamily. The cladogram however was accurately showing the current state of knowledge. I have however given a bit of an edit to improve the flow of sections. Do feel free to point out more specific issues. Shyamal (talk) 16:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Economic importance of termites

Help in agriculture Oluwaseunifeoluwa (talk) 02:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

plagiarism from article in book

the section on etymology is exactly the same as the second paragraph of chapter 2 of "Termites and Food Security" verbatim. It looks like the book was published in 2018, but the paragraph has existed on wikipedia since at least January 5, 2015.Sbbarker19 (talk) 01:56, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

question

how big a mound can gets if the termites were as big as a human being ???

my classmate said it would be as tall as 30 thousand meter !

how accurate is this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.236.140.192 (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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