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A fact from Templo Mayor appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 November 2008, and was viewed approximately 9,727 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that at the inauguration of the sixth Aztec Templo Mayor in 1487 (scale model pictured), thousands of prisoners of war were ritually sacrificed, bathing the steps of the pyramid in blood?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2008/November.

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Number of sacrifices

From the article:

between 3,000 and 84,000 people were sacrificed over 4 days during its reconsecration

That's an awfully big range. I hope that's a typo. As is, it's fairly meaningless -- better to say "thousands." Cleduc 05:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The number 84,000 conflicts with 'Human sacrifice in Aztec culture' wiki page

The information about human sacrifice is more than doubtful, the subject has recently been opened up again. Until a decade ago scholars have unquestioningly accepted claims of the Spanish conquerers (both Cortes and Díaz indulge the "rivers of blood", while they themselves never witnessed one instance of sacrifice). Archaeologist Moctezuma rightly points out that no one ever found more than a handful of sacrifial victims on the precincts. Please verify with recent publications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.208.17.51 (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

10,000-84,000 apparently cited in this 2003 publication, which itself is cited in 'Human sacrifice' wiki page. The notion of at least some human sacrifice at this prominent site is consistent with the widely documented practice (including in codexes published by Aztec people themselves), and the complete omission of it from this page is staggering. At least address it as a controversy rather than simply erasing (aka censoring).

Hassig, Ross (2003). "El sacrificio y las guerras floridas". Arqueología Mexicana (63): 46–51. ISSN 0188-8218. 2601:600:C681:45C0:E71F:257E:A7BA:82B2 (talk) 05:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correct Name and Translations

im kinda confused by the first line of the article. "Great Pyramid" in english translates as "Pirámide Mayor" in spanish. and "Templo Mayor" in spanish translates as "Great Temple". which one is correct, or are they both (due to different names by different people)? either way, the spanish name used isnt in italics as called for by the Manual of Style. and a translation isnt given. the way it reads right now, the article makes it seem to a non-spanish speaker that the second name in bold is a direct translation of the first. the spanish article calls it only the "Great Temple", but notes that its actually a "double temple", formed by a truncated pyramid. 4.230.168.252 02:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The temple was only 30 meters heigh, not 60

name in Aztek?

What was the name of the temple in Aztec? Should the article not be moved to that name instead of the Spanish name? Gryffindor (talk) 13:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Templo Mayor is the current name of the archaeological site, with associated museum. Since the temple is no longer standing I would have thought the Spanish name is appropriate, especially since that is what INAH uses to refer to the site. Many Mesoamerican archaeological sites use their modern names rather than the name they were originally known by, even when this is known (Tikal for example). Regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see. But what is (was) the native name of the temple? Gryffindor (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarrely, none of my sources give a name for the building as a whole (at least not one that I can locate quickly) but various books refer to Huitzilopochtli's half as Coatepec ("Serpent Hill") where the god was born and Tlaloc's half as Tonacatepetl, the mythical place where maize was stored by the gods. It is implied in one or two of my books that the building as a whole might have been referred to as Coatepec, but not stated outright. Regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 18:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Gryffindor and Simon Burchell: Templo Mayor#Symbolism says "The Templo Mayor was partially a symbolic representation of the Hill of Coatepec", but where was this Coatepec? Page Coatepec lists several. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Anthony Appleyard: Coatepec was a mythical location. Its true location, if there was one, is unknown. The various places called Coatepec, Coatepeque etc. are likely to be named after the mythical location, rather than being the original location. All the best, Simon Burchell (talk) 08:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gryffindor and Simon Burchell: Page nah:Huēyi teōcalli in the Nahuatl Wikipedia calls it "Huēyi teōcalli". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Split?

Should there be separate articles for Templo Mayor and Templo Mayor Museum?

Spanish Wikipedia has es:Templo Mayor and es: Museo del Templo Mayor. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Eagle Sculpture

Just parking this link here as reference for anyone wishing to expand this article:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/archaeologists-unearth-600-year-old-obsidian-eagle-mexico-180976894/?mc_cid=40668319e4&mc_eid=bdae36ca30 J. Van Meter (talk) 16:10, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

wooden artifacts

Recently found wooden artifacts:UPDATED 21 JUNE, 2022 - 14:49 NATHAN FALDE "Mexican Archaeologists Find Over 2,500 Rare Wooden Aztec Artifacts!" in Ancient Origins, a blacklisted online magazine. This article seems legit, though. Let's discuss it on the spam white-list page. Kdammers (talk)

Or we can use a different source, as this spreads in the media, e.g., https://www.heritagedaily.com/2022/06/thousands-of-wooden-objects-and-offerings-recovered-from-the-aztec-templo-mayor/143896 Kdammers (talk) 22:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]