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The world first test broadcast took place on ITV Oracle in February 1977, though there was no equipment available to use the software at that time. The broadcast simply produced a display of the encoded software, for a Signetics 2650 microprocessor, on a teletext television. However, the fact that the broadcast took place gave the concept practical credibility of something that was realistically possible for the future.
At the 1978 International Broadcasting Convention a demonstration of telesoftware working from a live feed of ITV Oracle teletext was presented on an exhibition stand by Mr Hedger. The Oracle signal being carried within the ITV signal. At one stage the ITV signal was routed via a communication satellite as part of a television demonstration, and the opportunity was used to test telesoftware using that signal that had been routed via the commmunication satellite, and it worked well.
Also, a display maquette, with the title Telesoftware Tennis had been broadcast live for a few minutes on ITV Oracle in November or December 1976. Although that was just during a discussion of the future possibilities for telesoftware, the development in the 21st century of retrieving teletext pages from super-VHS recordings means that if anyone was recording the ITV television broadcast on super-VHS videotape at that time, then that maquette page could potentially be recovered from the tape by teletext archaeologists, as potentially could the broadcasts from 1977 mentioned above and the broadcasts made in 1978 at the time of the International Broadcasting Convention. Such technique has already been used to recover and archive telesoftware broadcasts made in the 1980s by the BBC.

If citations can be found for this, it seems like extremely useful information. jp×g 10:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The February 1977 broadcast

The February 1977 part is contemporaneously documented in reference 1 of the article.

Some more references

An item in News of the Month in Wireless World, September 1977 issue.

An article in the November(? or thereabouts) 1978 issue of Wireless World.

There was a page 1 story Software on TV with Oracle in a copy of Computer Weekly one week in probably 1977, possibly 1978.

The test using the satellite link

Word of mouth from Mr Hedger that it had happened, said at the exhibition stand.

The Telesoftware Tennis maquette page

The Telesoftware Tennis maquette page was produced spontaneously by Mr Hedger during a discussion. It was just a still image with the title in text and possibly two vertical bats made of graphics chunks and a ball. It went out on air for a few minutes. There then gone. Recent developments in teletext archaeology mean that if perchance someone somewhere was recording ITV television on Super VHS tape and the tape survives then the Telesoftware Tennis maquette page could potentially be recovered. That would be quite something all these years later.

Telesoftware mentioned in a 1985 broadcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-S_d74szU&t=510s

The reason for using the Signetics 2650 mcroprocessor for the early telesoftware broadcasts

The reason that the Signetics 2650 microprocessor was used for the early telesoftware broadcasts, including those for the demonstration of telesoftware by Mr Hedger, using a system physically constructed by Mullard, at the 1978 International Broadcasting Convention, was that Mullard had kindly provided the inventor with a free copy of the Signetics 2650 manual a few years earlier, and so that was the microprocessor software type used for the first broadcasts. As a result, this later led to Mullard becoming involved in producing the prototype hardware. This giving of the manual by Mullard was not contemporaneously in any way linked to the inventor's ideas, it was that Mullard had a policy of providing technical information to all enquirers whether or not representing an organization, on the basis that who knows where it might lead in the future if people who are interested in their products become knowledgeable about their products. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:3195:AC01:8C14:3F1D:4618:7D61 (talk) 21:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The word telesoftware is included in The Oxford English Dictionary, Second Edition

The word telesoftware is included in The Oxford English Dictionary, Second Edition. The entry is in Volume 17. The first reference is to the March 1976 Letter to the Editor of the newspaper Computing Europe from Mr Overington. The 20 volume dictionary can often be found in libraries. The etymology for each of the words that begin with tele are all grouped together immediately after all of the definitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:3195:AC01:C4C:D8D7:38D2:D3A8 (talk) 13:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Localizable Sentences

In 2009 Mr Overington invented a concept named Localizable Sentences that, amongst other uses such as in emails and on web pages, could be used in conjunction with telesoftware broadcasts.

The invention is that a collection of preset sentences that are grammatically stand-alone are each given a code number and that one or more of those code numbers are broadcast, perhaps mixed in with plain text such as names of people, names of places, and digits; and localization into the language of the viewer is carried out in the receiving equipment of the viewer, by software that has been broadcast.

Thus, for examples, the code number is localized into text in English for a person whose chosen language is English, and the code number is localized into text in Italian for a person whose chosen language is Italian.

This could be done for text in relation to the Eurovision Song Contest, and for various other events.

More widlely, localizable sentences could be used in emails for such purposes as seeking through the language barrier information about relatives and friends after a disaster.

It is recognized that not every possible sentence can be encoded, that is not claimed nor sought, so the invention cannot do everything. Yet the invention can do some things that can be useful in some particular circumstances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:3195:AC01:F498:2823:4A6E:D17F (talk) 11:41, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a member of the List of outsider inventions, Localizable Sentences are in much the same situation that Telesoftware was in the mid-1970s. Yet there are differences. For example, there are research documents available on the web, and, written and being written, two novels featuring Localizable Sentences.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/localizable_sentences_research.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/novel_plus.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/locse_novel2.htm

Will the Localizable Sentences invention get its own page in Wikipedia?

Objectively written. Will publicity in Wikipedia help get the invention implemented?

Will there be a compare and contrast page about Localizable Sentences and Esperanto compared and contrasted?