Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
October 16, 2006	Peer review	Reviewed
December 13, 2006	Good article nominee	Not listed

Current status: Former good article nominee

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Michael Jai White

...was part of the cast, as his very own wiki page says, but he isn't listed here. --78.43.41.85 (talk) 19:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

You cannot include the entire lyrics to the Vanilla Ice song, as it is under copyright. As such, I removed them. If someone wants to write about the song, they can only quote small sections of the lyrics. --FuriousFreddy 18:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about that? I thought reproducing song lyrics was ok, as long as it was clear who the original artist is. I mean, tons of websites have copies of song lyrics, and websites have databases of as many song lyrics as they can get. Are they all in violation of copyright laws? -- Ritchy 25 August 2005

I looked into it, and I'm convinced we can use the lyrics here. US copyright laws (US code title 17, chapter 1, sections 107 and 108) state that an archive (which is basically what wikipedia and other online lyrics repositories are) can reproduce the work provided that it is not used for commercial purposes and is freely available to the public. Given this fact, I've reinstated the lyrics in the page. -- Ritchy 25 August 2005

Yeah, tell that to the previous owner of lyrics.ch who got his entire network confiscated in Switzerland because he was hosting a lyrics database. If you want to quote one chorus then we can get away with claiming that's fair use, or if you want to do a detailed analysis of the entire lyrics (see We Didn't Start the Fire and American Pie (song)), then you can quote the whole thing. Otherwise, it's a copyright violation. Zoe 22:17, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we should do a detailed analysis of the entire lyrics, then. That way, we'd get to post them all.

The Shredder's return

Did Shredder really survive his fall at the end of the first movie? I was under the impression he died at the end of the first movie, and was somehow revived at the begining of the second one. Anyone has the movie, to check? --Ritchy 6 September 2005

We were supposed to believe he had died, but he "miraculously survived" worse for wear at the beginning of the second movie. In the comics, he was brought back by body-cloning worms, but in the movies you were supposed to take that he just survived since he only fell into garbage.

Sabotage?

Are we SURE the scientist altered the mutagen so Tokka and Rahzar would be infantile? I don't remember that being onscreen, but he might have admitted it later after the turtles rescued him, I forgot. It seems to me that since we learn in the first movie that the turtles started out as infants and had to grow up themselves (pizza! pizza!) that T&R had the same problem, being a baby snapping turtle and wolf before being mutated.

"When I contaminated the ooze used to transform Tokka and Rahzar, making them intellectually inferior and thus less dangerous..."

-Prof. Jordan Perry transcribed from the DVD

Is this really a "goof"?

"When Shredder mutates into Super-Shredder, he grows in size. However, his armour grows as well and still fits him. The mutagen should only affect him, not his clothes." In a movie that involves mutant turtles, rats and who knows what walking and talking in perfect English (well, Splinter has a Japanese accent), how does this qualify as a "goof"? Maybe it defies normal science and logic, but so does the entire movie Bobak 23:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The mutagen is a kind of growth hormone, which affects (and unnaturally increases) the physical and mental development of animals. It does nothing to inanimate matter, such as clothing. It's a goof, in the same sense that we call it a goof when intangible people are able to walk through walls but not the floor. -- Ritchy 00:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the subject of said goofs... the mutegen used on tokka and rahzar was a new, altered batch created by perry, as stated while he made the antidote

Utroms

An anonymous user wrote:

There was a deleted scene in which Professor Jordan Perry was revealed to be an Utrom. He tells his superiors that he retrieved the last canister, which may be used to return to their homeworld explaining "the mysterious disappearance of TGRI".

However, every movie review and information site I read said that the Utroms were never intended to be part of this movie, that they cut out all the alien material. Such a scene goes against everything I know about the movie. I've removed it until it can be backed with a source. -- Ritchy 14:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchy, I found this: The original ending to "Ooze" would also reveal the benevolent TGRI scientist, Jordon Perry, to have been an Utrom. But due to budget constraints, plus the fear he may be mistaken for the character Krang, the plot twist was abandoned.[1]

I don't think it is a deleted scene, just an idea that never eventuated. Its written about in the Production section. Davey4 05:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the part about the Utroms because the website that is cited is not actually a site that takes you to an article with the backing information. Also, this is the first I have heard of this. Carface 01:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Production

I started the section. But as of now it is just one line. Any help on expanding it would be cool. Some of the Star Wars articles have great production texts. we should aim for that.

Changes

Hi, I made quite a few changes to the article. Mainly, I removed the triva/goofs as it is generally not seen in good film articles, but I saved the useful information, and merged it where appropriate. I also started a better cast section, like the ones on the featured articles. I also made the DVD and music releases under one section because they were too short to be on their own. Peace. TMNTfan 07:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Budget

Boxofficemojo says that the budget was $25 million, but the article said 22. I changed it, as I havent seen any sites saying 22. TMNTfan 08:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Little big mistake

At the beggining of the article the info cites that the two new villains introduced are Beebop and rocksteady,while it should actually be Tokka and Razor(A grotesque mutant turtle and doge respectively). Far as I know Beebop and rocksteady(a mutant boar and rhinoceros respectively) were characters of the cartoon(not very familiar with the comics) and made no appereance or had no reference whatsoever in any of the films.El Gostro 00:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You had reverted some vandalism created by an anonymous user, just two hours after the vandal struck. Thanks for fixing the problem. --Brandon Dilbeck 00:39, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey no problem,glad I could help,the fact that someone would vandalize this article just shows you that a guy wearing an excrement hat is no longer something to be surprised of...El Gostro 05:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

I've put this GA on hold for the moment. While the GA does not require brilliant prose like a featured article does, it does need good prose, and this article, while informative, lacks that. "The movie is this. It did this. It also did this." It's very stilted and hard to read, and could use a good prose check and perhaps some reorganization, and you should be good. I'll check back... --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone find cites for the last paragraph of the "Reception" section please? LuciferMorgan 21:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With only two edits since I came here and no major fixes, I'm failing this for now. Please resubmit once these issues are dealt with. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:TMNT 2 poster.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adult joke

Hey guys, did anybody notice the scene when April asks what Splinter has been doing on the roof. He replies with "Coming to a decision!" Some think he was making a masturbation refernce since of the pause between the words. This is hilarious by the way, LOL!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.37.115 (talk) 04:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Katanas vs. Ninjatō

Wouldn't Leonardo's swords be more accuratly described as Ninjatō rather than as Katana?--Darth Marik87 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.188.205.194 (talk) 19:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

City Station

It is correctly mentioned that City Station is the inspiration for the Turtle's new home. Likewise, the article is correct that trains pass through City Station. However, passengers are allowed to ride through (although it is pointless to do so as the train simply turns around and heads back uptown). I have corrected the mistake.74.108.125.14 (talk) 23:04, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Red Letter Media Hoax

I went back a few versions of the article. Hopefully I saved the right one. I'm pretty sure, that Bob Rosenberg wasn't a facial assistant of the movie. I guess in reality he is the oldest child of the founder of Dunkin' Donuts. On Red Letter Media's show "Best of the Worst" Bob Rosenberg is a minor celebrity. --Kryston (talk) 10:12, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]