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Who?

The article states: 'Fearing government-persecution, he went to the hills. On "death row," he was finally pardoned by Pres Marcos on 11 September 1968.' Who is the 'he' mentioned in these sentences? yoyo 04:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The one external source given for this article appears to be the original, and this article a mere contraction of it. In part, it says:

'It was unlikely that the Muslims, who have had a cultural history as Muslims than the Filipinos as Christians, would surrender their identity. In 1951, Kamlun, a devout and wealthy native of Tandu Pa-nuan, took up arms against the government for a number of reasons. For one, he was not on good with other local leaders, some of whom he killed. There were also problems with land titling which Kamlun refused to undertake since to him ownership of land is not evident by means of piece of paper. Fearing government persecution, he went to the hills.'

The first and last sentence of this quote appear in the article. The rest of the quote identifies 'he' as Kamlun.

New question: Is this article nothing but an abridged copy of the web page given as the sole external source? If so, I believe Wikipedia guidelines would require its deletion. The alternative is to have someone rewrite the entire article independently, and preferably from several sources. yoyo 11:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to this wikipedia article Ethnic groups in the Philippines. You are incorrectly saying "as the Moro ethnic group,". The moros are not indigenous people or an ethnicity. Before islam arrived these indigenous tribes were already in the Philippines. As an example take the "Tausug" tribe of Sulu. They were indigenous before islam came. Although most of the tausugs became Muslims (Moros), it does not make the Muslims (Moros) indigenous or an ethnincity. Being a Tausug makes the man indigenous or an ethnic individual not by being a Moro or Muslim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.205.217.0 (talk) 01:55, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

This article lacks references. Yet it contains many assertions of an historical nature, which normally require quoting an external source, in order for the article to meet Wikipedia standards. yoyo 04:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a single external link given at the foot of the article, which I missed before. It is to: http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tausug_frame.html, a page on the Phillipine Literature website. All the material in this Wikipedia article appears to be taken verbatim from the external source. Unless the author of that external webpage also wrote this article, I believe this article is simple plagiarism, and therefore contravenes guidelines. yoyo 11:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

or www.royalsultanate.weebly.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.251.189 (talk) 21:48, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merger with Suluk

This article states: 'It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Suluk. (Discuss)'.

Pro: Ethnically and culturally, the Suluk people in Sabah originated as Tausugs from the Phillipines.

Con: The Suluk people have been in Sabah since the early 1970s, when they arrived in their thousands as refugees from the armed conflict of Muslims separatists in Mindanao with the Phillipine central government; or even earlier. Many have lived the whole or most of their lives there, and some divergence of culture and identity would be expected from the different experiences of the Suluk in Malaysia and the Tausug in the Sulu archipelago. Suluk children go to school with Malaysian children; Suluk adults work alongside Malaysians.

On balance: It's up to the Tausug living in Malaysia - the Suluk - to decide their own identity for themselves. It could be argued that by choosing to live under Malaysian rule, they have already made that decision. Against that, it can be argued that many Suluk do return to their ancestral homes in the archipelago for visits, especially on special occasions. I feel that it may be useful for Wikipedia readers to have the two articles kept separate, as it emphasises the current different situations of the two groups. As an Australian of British descent, for example, I don't want to be thought of or treated as a displaced Briton. yoyo 12:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

Tausug is a Visayan language spoken in Sulu Province in the Philippines,Malaysia,Indonesia by the Tausug people.

paredes munib alih is the son of hji munib alih and hji saada,hji munib is the son of hji alih and hji asmah, hji alih is the son of datuk unding and dayang-dayang raddah. dayang-dayang raddah is the sister of dayang-dayang piandao the wife of sultan umrah of simunul island tawi-tawi philippines.

Sulu Sultanate Sovereignty claim

The current reigning leadership of the Sultanate does not claim any sovereignty. Just claimants to the throne make such a claim to have a fundament for awarding orders of knighthood etc. The sovereignty over Sulu was transferred by Sultan Jamalul Kiram II by signing the carpenter agreement in 1915. The de jure sovereignty over North Borneo /Sabah was transferred to the Philippine Republic from Sultan Esmail Kiram I in 1962. Both transfers are valid and recognized by the governments, the Sulu Sultanate and under international law. About the Sultan (talk) 11:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the picture of "Tausug" women on the page

That's not Tausug attire that they're dressed in. That's Maranao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.117.105 (talk) 14:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zulu people

In the cursive sentence at the very top, it should include a reference to the Zulu people in Southern Africa. I think many visit this page while really searching for the African Zulu people. Niceley (talk) 22:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Correction of Tausūg_people#History

The article should not start by saying that "The history of Sulu begins with Karim-ul Makhdum, a Muslim missionary". Sulu was Sulu before Karim-ul Makhdum showed up. It would be OK to say that "The history of Islam in Sulu begins with Karim-ul Makhdum". Totally incorrect to assume that the history of sulu bagan with that Muslim missionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.18.127 (talk • contribs)

Move discussion in progress

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The use of a "ū" in the spelling of Tausūg is unusual, to me. I am Tausug and I have never seen that. I speak English. I have never seen tat.

I have never seen Tausug written with a ū. Maybe that is the British English spelling. But I also think that English speaking Tausug people don't really put a "ū" in there. It sort of feels a bit anthropological. Merely being Tausug doesn't mean I have an expertise on anything about it. I just think there should be some sort of explanation about why there is a "ū" in the spelling of Tausug. Tausug is the more common spelling, certainly when I look at google scholar it is way more frequent. Is the language Tausug different than the people? I think someone should explain why or change it. 152.3.187.132 (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

reference removed from talk page

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This might be an acceptable reference if the author is an expert. Elinruby (talk) 23:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Caluang, Calingalan. "Sufism in the Philippines". Retrieved 20 May 2023.

Seems undue

was in a discussion of top-level governance. Might be if interest in a "daily life" article. Posting here in case somebody disagrees:

The shamans were also exempted from practicing traditional marriage and they could have sensual relationships with the same sex, a common trait in numerous tribes throughout the Philippine archipelago and northern Borneo in pre-Islamic and pre-Christian times. Elinruby (talk) 03:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User-generated content but good leads for research

[^[1]^{[unreliable source?]} Elinruby (talk) 10:49, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Post (2013-06-30). "Tausug Architecture". Slideshare.net. Retrieved 2019-10-02.

Really requires a reference

And might be undue anyway Of significance are the sarip (sharif) and their wives, sharifah, who are Hashemite descendants of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad.^{[citation needed]} From discussion of patrilineal nature of regency Elinruby (talk) 00:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional Tausug Male Attire/Costume

There is a picture of man in a native costume that is described as wearing a traditional Tausug attire. I thought the man is dressed in a modern Tausug costume and probably he is a groom. Traditional native Tausug attire is tight fitting for the shirt and the trousers and adorned with gold/golden or metallic/bronze buttons on the chest, arm, shoulder and leg areas of the dress. the upper part is called 'Lapih' while the lower trouser is called 'Kuput' as it is a tight-fitted pants. 112.198.99.33 (talk) 15:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Caluang, Calingalan. "Sufism in the Philippines". Retrieved 20 May 2023.

[slideshare.net-2] Post (2013-06-30). "Tausug Architecture". Slideshare.net. Retrieved 2019-10-02.

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