Talk:Tao Qian (Han dynasty)

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Once again, if someone could kindly help me with the pinyin here, I would be very greatful. It seems that the first character in the name 笮融 is an obsolete character, and all the online dictionaries that I've checked don't know what it is. If someone could be kind enough to provide the pinyin for it, or better yet, on my user talk page tell me a place where I could do this myself, I would be eternally greatful.--Alex Small 13:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Mystery of Cao Hong, and other minor characters

I had to do this on the German page too, but the Cao Hong mentioned in this article, written in Chinese characters as 曹宏, is a very different individual from the Cao Hong that is Cao Cao's cousin, written in Chinese as 曹洪. I removed the link to the Cao Hong article, because it's a different person. The Cao Hong in this article is, as far as I know, too minor to warrant any mention whatsoever. The Japanese wikipedia version that I translated didn't have any link to him either. As far as the other "unscrupulous characters" that Tao Qian trusted, only one of them is worthy of a link... the others were too minor and were not linked to in the Japanese article either. --Alex Small 01:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not particularly fair generalization of Tao Qian?

This article is partially incorrect. Yuan Shu did not declare himself emperor until 195, a year after Tao Qian's death. At the time, there were 2 loose factions battling for control of the land east of the pass -- Yuan Shao and Cao Cao on one side, Yuan Shu, Gongsun Zan, and Tao Qian the other. This explains why Tian Kai and Liu Bei were at haste coming to aid Tao Qian when he was hard-pressed.

The Que Xuan episode was a curious one, though scant details prevent us from reaching anything conclusive, because otherwise Tao Qian had shown he was a loyal servant of Han. One of the first to heed the anti-Dong Zhuo call, also the only who sent men and aids to embattled Zhu Jun.

You're right. I checked the Japanese article (the source of my translation) and the information has been changed. There is no longer any reference to Yuan Shu, and as you said, the dates contradict each other on English wiki as well as the Japanese. I'll delete the references.

The Japanese still says that Tao Qian may have had a part to play in the death of Cao Cao's father: 自ら天子と名乗った闕宣という宗教指導者と結託し、曹操の領内、曹嵩の殺害現場となった泰山周辺を襲撃させてもいる which says that he was supporting the rebellion of a religious cult leader (The aforementioned Que Xuan) inside Cao Cao's territory. However, it's not cited, so I won't include it. --Alex Small 23:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to Kongming.net's translation of Cao Cao's Sanguozi biography, Tao Qian murdered Cao Song during the "time of Dong Zhuo's Turmoil" when Cao Song fled to Langya. source: http://kongming.net/novel/sgz/caocao.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.17.178.40 (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]