Talk:Tanya Granic Allen

An administrator sent the history of the article to Draft:Tanya Granic Allen for incubation on 20 November 2018. —C.Fred (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Yikes That Pic

I certainly know the work it takes into uploading a pic; and to crop it for a headshot is definitely going the extra mile in my book. But this photo of Tanya is just plain scary. I hate to pull out the policy book, but we're gonna have a problem with WP:IUP. – Lionel^(talk) 10:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@Lionelt: I don't see how the picture violates IUP, it may not be the most flattering but at the same time I think it's a stretch to say it will "unfairly demean or ridicule the subject". If they want another image, then Granic Allen's campaign is free to donate a picture to Commons. RA0808 ^talk_contribs 17:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

@Yeungkahchun: @Nixon Now: Hey guys don't let the early !votes fool you... To save this article from deletion IMHO we need 3 more independent sources that cover Tanya in depth and we need bio info such as childhood, education, personal life. – Lionel^(talk) 10:20, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Deletion nominator here - my initial issue with this article wasn't its lack of sources, or even its short length, but the fact that running for leadership of a provincial party, without ever having held elected office or met GNG for other reasons, doesn't make someone worthy of an article. On a very basic level, Granic Allen just isn't notable at this point in her political career. Madg2011 (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Recreating this article

@Yeungkahchun: IMO there is enough coverage now. This is the policy: Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Can_I_recreate_an_article_that_was_deleted_in_the_past?: "If an article was deleted because the subject was not notable, but since that time many more independent reliable sources discussing them have been found or published, you can re-create the article if you include these new additional sources." Deletion discussion said " don't meet GNG."

Bottom line: you need more sources. I recommend that you create a subpage as a workpage, add a bunch of sources, and then move to mainspace.

If you need more help post a comment here WT:WikiProject Conservatism. – Lionel^(talk) 05:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I would agree, prep it up before bringing into the main space. Then, when the page is ready, brin.g it all here. I think this is a notable person that deserves an article, but it will have to withstand a deletion discussion later, as one editor will surely nominate it. Outback the koala (talk) 11:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Nothing has really changed since she was deleted except for controversy over her social media posts and fitness to be a candidate - which the person who attempted to recreate this article omitted from his version. Nixon Now (talk) 12:16, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, one editor. Outback the koala (talk) 12:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I actually created this article the first time and voted in the AFD to keep it. @Bearcat: proposed the AFD. Just pointing out that nothing has changed since the AFD which would change the outcome. Nixon Now (talk) 12:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I recall, this wasn't some kind dig or anything like that. I just thought that the previous AfD discussion close would be enforced regardless of the circumstances, i.e. if they have changed or not. It make restarting this page that much harder. Outback the koala (talk) 13:00, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I didn't initiate the AFD either: Madg2011 did, and I was just a participant in the discussion. That said, an as yet unelected candidate in the general election is still not automatically notable enough for her own standalone article — if she doesn't have a strong claim of preexisting notability for other reasons besides her political candidacies alone, then she still has to win a seat in the general election, and thereby become an actual MPP-elect, in order to have the first AFD result overturned for the purposes of recreating of a new article about her. It's a key principle of Wikipedia that we are not a news outlet: we're trying to write the ten year view of history here, not to document everything and everyone that happens to be temporarily newsy right now. The existence of campaign-related coverage is not enough in and of itself to justify an article about a candidate who wasn't already notable for other reasons before becoming a candidate, because every candidate could always show some evidence of campaign-related coverage.

Neither the amount of new general election campaign coverage that has emerged since the end of the leadership campaign, nor the context of why it exists, is enough as of yet to get her over the "permanently and enduringly more notable than every other unelected candidate in the Ontario general election, 2018" bar — she still has to win the seat, not just run for it, to become notable enough for her own article, just the same as everybody else who's getting some degree of media coverage right now for being a candidate. By comparison, we do not have an article about Jerry Bance even though he got a blip of media attention for urinating into a cup in somebody's kitchen, and we do not have an article about that NDP candidate in 2015 who got a blip of media attention for not knowing what Auschwitz was. What has to change now is not just the emergence of a couple of new sources that didn't exist yet at the time of the original discussion but are still covering her in a not inherently notable context — what actually has to change to make the article recreatable is that her base notability claim switches from "candidate who hasn't won anything yet" to "candidate who won the election and is actually going to be an MPP". Bearcat (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

"I didn't initiate the AFD either" - oops my mistake. I know articles such as this are an ongoing concern of yours though which is why I thought you had initiated the AFD (or at least that you'd be against recreating the article). Nixon Now (talk) 15:22, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Recreation revisited - sending to draft to incubate

I am leaving the talk page here, but I am moving the article history to Draft:Tanya Granic Allen for incubation. —C.Fred (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, nobody worked on the draft, and it was deleted as abandoned. Jay (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC)