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Please inspect these edits by block-evading sockpuppets

There have a number of edits made to this page made by a long since banned disruptive user which cannot be reverted by simply undo. They are the following:

• WahhabistBoi: [1]
• Al-Thawr: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
• Al-Biruunii: [11]
• LoverofMuhammadSAW: [12]

It would be good if some editors would look at these edits and manually remove anything which would only be reliable if added by a good faith editor (they are not). Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Concerns about sourcing

In the infobox for the Taliban's page, their political position is given as "far-right". While this alone is not accurate to their ideology and opens up a whole other debate about what political positions the Taliban hold, my main concern is the sourcing for that statement. Looking further, the source redirects to a Wordpress site hosting an opinion piece (already a red flag) written by a Zachary Schroeder, someone who I have been unable to do any background research on due to a lack of info and is probably not a reliable source. I believe that the political positions of the Taliban should be edited to accurately reflect their political positions, but since I am not autoconfirmed I am raising the issue here. TheTrainCrazyMan (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Control of Afghanistan

The Taliban does NOT have control of all territories of Afghanistan. Several insurgent groups control several districts. 2603:8081:7300:10FA:B6FC:20C1:9342:E7A1 (talk) 20:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

From the outside, it looks like there was one resistance movement (in Panishir valley). Adding a phrase about it would likely need (preferably English-language) sourcing. Also, I dont know who recogizes the Taliban as legal representatives of the government of Afganistan. They do however have the power to close down schools for girls, and to impose strict rules regarding clothing or conduct. If they take this power by the rule of force, or there are actual laws is another question. So from the outrside they seem to be in control. Eptalon (talk) 08:55, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Rule of law?

The Taliban have looked like they are in control, since they took power again, about a year ago. What I think should be looked at, but where I am no expert: Is there currently a rule of law in Afghanistan; that is can courts decide on cases brought before them, ideally in an unbiased manner, and base themselves based on a written set of rules? Eptalon (talk) 20:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposed split

Hello all, The Taliban have again ruled Afghanistan (since autumn 2021). What most people will be interested in is what relates to their current rule, and not the whole histiory, at length So, I propose to split the article:

• A core article, detaling current practices, views, and problems. I would also see brief summaries of the other subjects (with links to the main articles) in this article. I would see this article at about 30-50kb at most, for starters (or 1/5th to 1/10th of the current article)- All the additional material goes to annex articles, which are to be created or extended.
• Perhaps an article focusing on their history, from the start to the last time they ruled (the 1990s-2001).
• Perhaps an article on what they did while the country was occupied (there were ISAF troops,2001-21)
• An article giving their interpetation of Islam, their views what a society should look like etc.
• An article on resistance movements (likely small to non-existent, probably diverse)

... From what I see, there's little activity, so what do other people think?Eptalon (talk) 07:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I have taken the international relations section (more or less as is), and submitted it at Draft:International relations with the Taliban. At 80k, it likely is still too large, but once the draft is approved, it could be replaced with a short summary, and a link to the accepted article. But as I see, there has been no reaction to my post in three months, so the interest of the community is likely limited. Eptalon (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The draft has been acepted, and the annex article has been linked in the section. I would really appreciate if people helped replacing the section with a blurb. Ideally, we can considerably reduce the article size, as the content is now in the annex article. Eptalon (talk) 09:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Following the acceptance, I have cut down the section referenced abve. I have left about 5k of the original 80k. Feel free to ct omre or rephrase, if you see a need. Eptalon (talk) 12:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Search

Who is taliban 41.238.100.137 (talk) 16:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Support for Andrew Tate

I wonder if this deserves a mention in a section on the Taliban’s activities, or if it’s a better fit for Tate’s own article. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:7F3C (talk) 06:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

File:سکس

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.164.146 (talk) 22:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2023

Also active in Pakistan not just Afganistan but they do not have government in Pakistan but they exist in Pakistan 71.241.131.89 (talk) 10:50, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:26, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2023

The reference regarding Mohamad Jebara should be removed. Hafsa.Ab (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 18:16, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Shia-Sunni unity

This article states as a fact that the Taliban’s major belief is Shia-Sunni unity, which is simply not true. For the first few months of their rule they tried to placate Afghan Shi’ites by attending their mosques, but since then the persecution of Shiites increased considerably. For example, in February 2023, the Taliban banned marriages between Shi'a and Sunnis in northeastern Badakhshan Province. In July 2023, Taliban fighters prevented Shi'ite residents in Kabul from publicly celebrating Eid al-Ghadir, and so on. Newest articles on the subject can be viewed here or here. Wikipedia shouldn’t be misleading its readers with unfounded statements. 203.220.109.211 (talk) 02:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

True. ― Ö S M A N  (talk · contribs) 11:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

This was one of several overinflated and poorly sourced features attributed to the group in the infobox under "ideology"; I've trimmed these down to the better sourced and more credible features. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2023

Wiskurn (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

The Taliban do not stand for afghan nationalism, pashtun nationalism, or pashtunwali.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 19:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

“Anti-terrorism” is NOT part of the Taliban’s ideology

Not only have they committed many terrorist attacks themselves, but they’ve failed to uphold their agreement to not allow terrorism to thrive in Afghanistan. The “anti-terrorism” ideology should either be removed from the Taliban ideology box or it should be labeled as “alleged by the Taliban.” Ipaddressrevealed (talk) 01:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

You are correct; the source indicates that counter-terrorism promises from Taliban is lip service. I've removed it. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 16:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for making the change. Ipaddressrevealed (talk) 01:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism by Remsense

This user (possibly a bot) is continuously vandalizing the page with his useless edits filled with typos and bad grammar. Can the admins please look into it and ban it if necessary? @Jpgordon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahman1212 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

If we're talking prose, "having close ties to [...] fundamentalism" is clunky at best and a bit bizarre at worst. Every single part of your characterization on the talk page here (including your pronoun use) is either incorrect or unfounded, as far as I can tell. It's possible other people may prefer your version of the lead itself, but that doesn't mean you get to speak to me like this. Remsense诉 00:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. I apologize that I missed your first reply to me on your talk page. What are the grammatical errors you see? Remsense诉 00:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Rahman1212, content disputes are not WP:vandalism. Please dispense with the personal attacks; if you have content issues, feel free to bring them up here. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 16:21, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@Rahman1212, do you have an answer to my question? I still prefer my version of the lede, and I wanted to hear your input before I made any additional changes. Remsense诉 06:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Republican insurgency should be under “battles and wars”

There’s still an insurgency campaign by pro-Islamic Republic rebels, but this isn’t included in the “battles and wars” tab. LordOfWalruses (talk) 03:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)