Talk:Take Care/Archive 1

Archive 1

Stubbing, unstubbing...

This article was stubbed User:STATicVerseatide back in February, because the album doesn't meet WP:NPALBUMS. This is probably true. However, the numerous citations make me believe that it does meet WP:GNG...probably. After the stubbing, a new editor built the article back up from nothing, but without those citations. As such, I've reverted back to the pre-stubbing version, because it's better than the current one. Is this album upcoming album notable? Or does it still fall under WP:CRYSTAL? I don't know. However, that will need to be decided by consensus; if StaticVerseatide still believes this doesn't meet relevant notability guidelines, I think it should be taken to AfD. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Dreams Money Can Buy

Can you please add info about the intro song off of Take Care, "Dreams Money Can Buy". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andre1414 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed Tracks

Can you please add a section called confirmed tracks. And can u add Dreams Money Can Buy as a confirmed track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andre1414 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Tracks

Dreams Money Can Buy is not the intro to Take Care and hasn't even been confirmed for the album. Marvin's Room hasn't been confirmed either and Drake said himself Trust Issues wasn't going to be on Take Care. The Ride is just speculation and where the hell did you get "Only One" from? The only song that is still not completely released but is confirmed is "Polo Sweater". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.189.17 (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed Features

The only confirmed features are The Weeknd, 8Ball & MJG, and Kaemon Patterson with Jonathan McGuffee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.189.17 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

features?

featured will be Lil Wayne, Rick Ross, Stevie Wonder, FanoBee, J Cole, and more.

Add any more — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.113.200.238 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

features?

they dont have sources. fix plz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nebagain (talk • contribs) 13:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

You idiot all these features were true Drake said them in interviews — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.162.1.58 (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Information

I have the most recent interview Drake did with EW.com and he confirms "Dreams Money Can Buy" and "Trust Issues" as being on the Birthday Edition of his album. And "Marvin's Room" & "Headlines" are on the regular album. PROOF. http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/08/30/drake-interview-take-care-preview/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.114.142 (talk) 11:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Page lock

Should the page be locked to prevent people from adding fake tracklists in? And speaking of tracklists, here's a topic on LilWayneHQ.com about the album, and there's a partial tracklist, confirming some of the tracks. http://www.lilwaynehq.com/forums/t31363/ And according to the interview here: http://socovibe.com/2011/08/drake-talks-take-care-watch-the-throne-more/ , Trust Issues will be included in the Birthday Edition of the album. Can we add the new infos in? The boss 1904 (talk) 12:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.93.106.107, 3 November 2011

u guys gotta put kendrick lamar in the confirmed guests

71.93.106.207 (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source to confirm this? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:52, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.84.59.219, 5 November 2011

theres a colon after kendrick lamar.

71.84.59.219 (talk) 02:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Done Fixed thanks for noticing. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:48, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.93.105.107, 6 November 2011

The Weeknd is a confirmed guest. 71.93.105.107 (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source to confirm this? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 18:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

yes, hes on the official tracklist on the song crew love. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.105.107 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

We'll Be Fine

does this song actually feature kendrick lamar? do u have a source?

71.93.105.107 (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 09:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Undeground Kings

9th Wonder didn't produce that. T-minus did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.162.1.58 (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

"Practice" credit

Sample credits

• Back That Thang Up - Juvenile — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.182.80 (talk) 02:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.93.105.107, 8 November 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} isnt birdman featured on well be fine?

71.93.105.107 (talk) 04:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 09:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Added as a note [1], hope that's OK.  Chzz  ►  06:31, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Birdman is "featured" at the end of We'll Be Fine, but he just ad libs and does shoutouts. He doesn't actually rap or perform, which is why he isn't listed as a featured artist.

76.78.38.121 (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Take Care (Deluxe Edition)

{{edit semi-protected}} Can you guys make "The Motto" number 19 and "Hate Sleeping Alone" number 18 as it is supposed to be? Proof of this is shown here: http://923now.radio.com/2011/11/06/drake-and-rihanna-take-care-tracklist/

71.93.107.245 (talk) 05:22, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

The Motto is track 19, and Hate Sleeping Alone is track 20. That link is not proof. That is a second hand source which got the information from a leak. THIS is a source:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/preorder/take-care-deluxe-version/id479998680

76.78.38.121 (talk) 21:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Cameras/Good Ones Go (Interlude)

{{edit semi-protected}} If you separate Marvin's Room/Buried Alive (Interlude) into 2 individual songs, you should separate Cameras/Good Ones Go (Interlude) into 2 individual songs also. Please make this change as soon as possible.

71.93.107.245 (talk) 18:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Contrary to the original leak, Marvin's Room and Buried Alive (Interlude) ARE separate tracks on the CD/LP and the digital download. Cameras and Good Ones Go (Interlude) are NOT. Proof:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/preorder/take-care-deluxe-version/id479998680

76.78.38.121 (talk) 21:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

On the digital booklet and physical release, both Marvins Room/Buried Alive and Cameras/Good Ones are one track. The only time they are separated is in the download. Perhaps for people who are putting them on mobile devices who wouldn't want the interlude?

Regardless, I think there should only be 19 tracks total. --Cartman005 (talk) 04:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I cannot make a direct change, based on what you've said; you need to give references - in which case, we could explain the anomaly. If you can please say how we can express this, specifically within the article - with references - please re-request. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  01:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Downtempo

The RS source notes "hip-hop, R&B and downtempo dance music", while AVClub says "downbeat", an alternate name for "downtempo". If this is about whether "downtempo" is an actual genre, there is an article on it and looking it up with Google Books shows text about it, the genre. If this is about the context, downtempo implying "low" tempo, the RS source mentions it in line with other genres, and "downtempo" is an electronic dance style, so the "dance music" part is just redundant. I hope this clears up whatever issue there was. Dan56 (talk) 05:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Your argument it weak. You said it yourself "downbeat". It refers to the beat, not the the genre of the songs. In all the examples you provided, downtempo is used as an adjective to describe the beat/pace of the songs. They are not classifications like R&B", hip-hop, rock, jazz etc. So you need to give me more sources than that. Otherwise, I will revert it. Orane (talk) 05:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

And the RS article says "hip-hop, R&B and downtempo dance music", not "hip-hop, R&B and downbeat music", which would actually give your argument some weight. So, downbeat is removed until you can source it as a GENRE. Does metacritic list it as a genre? Does all music? Any other reputable sources? No. Orane (talk) 05:44, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I need a stronger argument so you are convinced? You talk like you're some authority, giving an ultimatum about reverting it. I said it myself? "Downbeat", synonymous with "downtempo". You're talking about classifications, and I think "downtempo" qualifies as one, and you don't. That's it. It's an issue of point of view. So maybe you should be the one who needs to come up with a stronger argument and not me, who decided to open this talk page when I didn't have to, because I wasn't the one making a controversial removal. And since when is Metacritic is reliable source for genres, or Allmusic? Dan56 (talk) 05:49, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you need to convince me. You're the one asserting that an unconventional term such as this is a genre. That is synthesis of sources, and original research. Allmusic has always been reputable. So has metacritic. The edit to remove the term was never controversial. I will consult the relevant noticeboards, and they will offer their opinion. and you will have to argue why you think this is a genre, and why it should stay in the infobox. The onus is on you, not me. And we're dangerously close to committing WP:3RR, btw. Orane (talk) 05:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Metacritic shows the genre to be "pop/rock" [2]. And you claimed at your talk page that I have not proved "downtempo" is a genre, like there a burden on me to do so. The burden is on you, so just chill out a bit with the "Otherwise, I will revert it." sentiment. Dan56 (talk) 05:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

For the argument over whether it's a genre or not, search for "downtempo" genre in Google Books shows articles/pages from sources like CMJ, a book on music software, and several others ones. So, the sources shown in these [3] [4] Google Books searches should put a rest to that side of things. So, I'm not "asserting that an unconventional term such as this is a genre", because it's already proven. Dan56 (talk) 06:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I will state this boldly and clearly: Wikipedia:No original research states, "Wikipedia does not publish original thought: all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources." I draw your attention to "any new analysis or synthesis of published material". You cannot argue that the RS article, nor the AV Club article, discussed "downtempo" in the way you claim, as suggested by the sketchy google book sources you provided. Read Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_published_material_that_advances_a_position. If the google book article claims "downbeat is another name for trip hop", then fine. But the RS article makes no indication of this either. Orane (talk) 06:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I found a few reviews that claim that the album explores "trip hop". Would that work for you, or are you hung up on "downtempo"? Orane (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I've never heard of a downtempo genre but the Rolling Stone source and those Google Books mention that it is a genre. Oz ^talk 06:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:Journalist's previous comments: Why trip-hop? What source(s) say the album has trip-hop? "Downtempo/downbeat" is an electronic dance genre. Why are you disputing it? RS indicates "downtempo dance music". What's sketchy about the Google Books link I provided. Is it the first result in the search that calls it a genre, the second source listed that calls it a style? The problem here is that you think when the critic/writer of the album reviews says "downtempo", he means "low-tempo", while I think he means it to be of the genre. I typed in Google: "Drake 'Take Care' downtempo" and found numerous review sources describing the album, the tracks, vibe, mood, etc. as "downtempo". I then typed in Google: "Drake 'Take Care' low-tempo" and found no review sources calling it "low-tempo". Could this mean they were referring to the genre when they used the term "downtempo"? If the majority of the reviewers used "downtempo" rather than "trip-hop", than it should be the former. And it's not ambigious when the writer uses a genre as an adjective in the sentence. Should we wait for others to respond and comment here? Dan56 (talk) 06:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

There isn't such a thing as "low tempo". What are you talking about? I've never once said that "downtempo" means "low-tempo". And you hit the nail on its head: you said "I typed in Google: "Drake 'Take Care' downtempo" and found numerous review sources describing the album, the tracks, vibe, mood, etc. as "downtempo". Yes, the vibe and mood and pace of the album is downtempo (i.e slow and groovy). We've established that. But tell me, which sources are these? And secondly, downtempo in these instances are used as adjectives. Genres are nouns. The Toronto Star refers to "trip hop", and if there are no objections, I'll go ahead and introduce it into the article. Orane (talk) 07:20, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Where do you get "slow and groovy" from? What we've established is that the critics say "downtempo", and if they used any other genre/style in adjective form, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but you just don't want it that way. "Downtempo" is a genre, the critics describe the album that way. If they described the album, the track, vibe, mood, etc. as say "hip hop", would there be a discussion about? As for the only source that mentioned "trip-hop", it says "occupies a headspace often closer in tone to ’90s trip-hop", which is weak at best to include it as a genre here, when numerous sources say "Downtempo" rather than "trip-hop". I don't see why you're making such a big deal about this. Could you please remove until others comment here? Dan56 (talk) 17:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

A recent source I found may bring us to a comprimise, believe it or not. Ann Powers of NPR calls the music a blend of R&B and "downtempo electronica" [5]. According to the WP article on electronica, and a statement there that seems to be sourced, "electronica" also serves as an umbrella term and encompasses electronic genres like "downtempo" and "ambient" (mentioned in Take Care article), as well as "trip-hop". How about removing "downtempo" and "trip-hop" from Take Care, replacing it with "electronica"? Dan56 (talk) 05:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

'Downtempo' as the name itself suggests has to do with tempo and the tempo of a song is indicated in BPM which makes it clear that it concerns essentially the beat or groove of a song. It is not a genre (from a general point of view) but if you gave a source calling it a genre, then my opinion can change. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 05:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Calling 'downtempo' a genre will lead to'uptempo' and 'midtempo' also being called genres. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 05:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Comprimise reached. Dan56 (talk) 05:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Tracklist

{{edit semi-protected}} The Kendrick Lamar and Stevie Wonder features are uncredited. Proof: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/take-care-deluxe-version/id479760323

97.93.123.251 (talk) 04:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I can't understand what you want me to change. Please could you explain, and re-request. Thank you.  Chzz  ►  23:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Done (See similar edit request 2 below) Carmichael95 [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 19:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit

It said Take Care received many delays, but it only received one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.162.1.58 (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 23 November 2011

On the tracklisting, Kendrick Lamar and Stevie Wonder's features on Buried Alive Interlude and Doing It Wrong respectively are uncredited. Please remove their names from the tracklist. Here is proof: http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/take-care-deluxe-version/id479760323

71.93.106.81 (talk) 06:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Done Carmichael95 [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 19:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

UK

Take Care is Gold in the UK. Source=BPI Please add! --79.199.61.23 (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Done, see next edit request. Banaticus (talk) 08:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 December 2011

The album has received Gold certification by the BPI in the UK which should be added. This should also be included under the Commercial section, as it denotes sales of 100,000 units in the UK. Source: http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx

90.222.220.167 (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. I added a quick mention of it -- seems like 100 thousand sold in the UK would be dwarfed by the one million sold in the US, but I added a mention about it in the Commercial section. If you'd like any further help, contact me on my user talk page. You might instead want to put a {{help me}} template up on your own user talk, or put the {{edit semi-protected}} template back up on this page and either way someone will be along to help you. :) Banaticus (talk) 08:57, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Look What You've Done Sample

this sample is from a song that was never completely made/released, its sampled from video footage of static major playing the piano. i think it should be changed to "contains elements from a live performance of" to prevent confusion. just a thought. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.134.19 (talk) 18:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Image removal

User:Jaylon305 has a problem with this version of the article's release and promotion section having an image of Rihanna to illustrate it. His edit summaries have been dubious at best, with no justification for removing the image, and he does not respond to anything on his talk page. Maybe he will here. Comments? Dan56 (talk) 02:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

No reason to remove. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 08:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Just because this isn't a Rihanna album, it doesn't mean you have to remove the image. Oz ^talk 10:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I think a Rihanna image should remain in the article as it currently is. It's relevant to the text, and while it's not at all crucial to understand the article, having visual illustrations in the article is desirable and there are few enough other images in the article at the moment. See also WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE.
Amalthea 11:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Jaylon305 removed it again, has yet to say anything to anyone, here or his talk page, or anyone's. I reported him to WP:AVI, and some responded that the edits don't constitute vandalism? Dan56 (talk) 20:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Buried Alive Interlude was performed by Kendrick Lamar

Drake does not have any lyrics on track 7. The rapping is done by Kendrick Lamar, so I am changing that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleventhblock (talk • contribs) 21:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 September 2012

Under the Track listing section. The writers on Crew Love is incorrect. Daniel McKinney should be removed and Illangelo should be added. 76.64.31.181 (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I realize that the article Crew Love says that Illangelo is a writer of that song, but there is no reference verifying that, either. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:02, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 November 2012

Please find & replace all "Illangelo" with "Illangelo" 78.46.149.13 (talk) 08:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Done thank you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Should a new section be added for an alternative tracklist?

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/take-care-deluxe-version/id479760323

Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Take-Care-Deluxe-Edition-Drake/dp/B005JLN9ZI

Both are Deluxe, yet each's tracklist is different.

99.230.188.37 (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 21 June 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Eventhorizon51 ^(talk) 01:48, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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• Take Care (album) → Take Care
• Take Care → Take Care (disambiguation)

– Almost 3/4 million of a million views in the last year.[6] Unreal7 (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC) — relisted by user:SSTflyer at 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. This move would result in a WP:SURPRISE since this is a commonly-used phrase in English as a salutation. Steel1943 (talk) 03:58, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I don't think moving this would be any bigger of a SURPRISE than it is now. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:13, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

• Not sure about that. Even though Wikipedia is not a dictionary, that doesn't necessarily mean that a "dictionary meaning" isn't what readers may be looking for. In fact, in this case, Wiktionary:take care exists, so I added a link to it on the disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 14:59, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

• I think the capitalization is probably sufficient here, and I'd bet money the Drake album would be far more sought out than any article on the concept of "taking care". The wiktionary link can stay on the DAB page, but we'd really only be astonishing a small amount of users. Nohomersryan (talk) 04:39, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support per WP:PTOPIC and WP:DIFFCAPS. Calidum ¤ 04:45, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, WP:DIFFCAPS, WP:NOTADICTIONARY, and all that. Fernando Danger (talk) 11:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per Steel1943 and because Take Care (song) is also prominent. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per the reasoning given by Steel and Tavix. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:01, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
• Relisting comment – see Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2016 June. I feel that the arguments at the time I initially closed this support a move, but due to the two late oppose votes, I am leaving this open for another week. SSTflyer 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
• Note that I support this move, as I see evidence that this article covers the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Take Care", and no evidence to the contrary. Take care should stay pointed to the disambiguation page. SSTflyer 14:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose – Too many songs to pick a top target, even if currently most popular. Also, the dicdef is useful to non-native speakers. — JFG ^talk 07:12, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose this move 2601:541:4305:C70:4C71:5D70:4A5A:C8A (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Clear cut WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In the last 90 days, the Drake album has received 202,079 views, or 84.7% of all traffic.[7] That's overwhelming even before you figure that Drake's song, the second most sought topic with 25,028 views (10.5%), is discussed in this article. As such, the album article serves as a WP:CONCEPTDAB in spirit with coverage of the song. The dab page received 6,247 views, more than the only other article, the film at 5,084. This suggests a significant number of readers are being misdirected, and the dab situation is a roadblock for the vast majority of readers.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:12, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Genre: Hip-hop... and R&B???

Would this album also qualify as R&B? Multiple reviews site R&B elements in the album, but would it actually qualify as R&B? Two of the singles, Marvin's Room and Crew Love are classified as Contemporary R&B and Alternative R&B, respectively.

Review 1 Review 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.130.102.235 (talk) 00:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)