Talk:Taiwanese indigenous peoples/Archive 2015

Two questions

1) What is up with the reference formatting? 2) Are we in UK English or US English?

Seems a bit scrappy for a Featured article! --John (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

1. Formatting, as everyone who is well-versed in Wikipedia style issues knows, is not limited to those damned ref cite tags. Formatting must be consistent; that's the only real rule. The style used is LSA.
2. It should be in US English. It was originally written ( or massively extended and revised) in that style, since maowang and I are both US speakers etc. • Serviceable†Villain 03:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The reference formatting is inconsistent. Examples:

• Lin, Shu-hui; Lin, Hsiao-yun; Hsieh, Wen-hua (2011-03-05). "Statistics show Aboriginal population increased by 33 percent in past 10 years". Taipei Times. Retrieved 13 December 2014.
• "Gov't officially recognizes two more aboriginal tribes". The China Post. CNA. June 27, 2014. Retrieved 13 December 2014.
• Covell, Ralph R. (1998). Pentecost of the Hills in Taiwan: The Christian Faith Among the Original Inhabitants (illustrated ed.). Hope Publishing House. pp. 96–97. ISBN 0932727905. Retrieved December 10, 2014.
• Cheng, Zoe (2007, Apr 1). The Secret's Out. Taiwan Review 57.4. Accessed April 22, 2007.
• Ching, Leo T.S. (2001). Becoming "Japanese" Colonial Taiwan and The Politics of Identity Formation. Berkeley: University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-22551-1.
• Low, Y.F. (2005, Nov 09). DPP encourages aborigines to adopt traditional names. Central News Agency — Taiwan.
• Gao, Pat (2007, April 4). The Revitalized Vote. Taiwan review. Accessed August 22, 2010.
• Ho Hi Yan Hits the Airwaves. (2005,May 5). Taipei City Government. Accessed March 17, 2007.
• Bird, Michael I, Hope, Geoffrey & Taylor, David (2004). Populating PEP II: the dispersal of humans and agriculture through Austral-Asia and Oceania. Quaternary International 118–19:145–63. Accessed March 31, 2007.
• Premier apologizes to Tao tribe. (2002, May 24). Taipei Times. Pg. 3. Accessed March 17, 2007.
• Phillips, Steven (2003). Between Assimilation and Independence: The Taiwanese Encounter Nationalist China, 1945–1950. Stanford California: Stanford University Press. ISBN 9780804744577.
• Shepherd, John Robert (1995). Marriage and Mandatory Abortion among the 17th Century Siraya. Arlington VA: The American Anthropological Association.
• Duara, Presenjit (1995). Rescuing History from the Nation: Questioning Narratives of Modern China. Chicago, Il: University of Chicago Press.
• Lamley, Harry J (1981). "Subethnic Rivalry in the Ch'ing Period" in Emily Martin Ahern and Hill Gates (Eds.) The Anthropology of Taiwanese Society (pp. 283–88). CA: Stanford University Press.
• Cohen, Marc J. (1988). Taiwan At The Crossroads: Human Rights, Political Development and Social Change on the Beautiful Island. Washington D.C.: Asia Resource Center.
• Chen, Henry C. L. & Hay, Peter (2004). "Dissenting Island Voices: Environmental Campaigns in Tasmania and Taiwan" in Changing Islands – Changing Worlds: Proceedings of the Islands of the world VIII International Conference (pp. 1110–31), 1–7 November 2004, Kinmen Island (Quemoy), Taiwan.

Just in those few citations listed, the following inconsistencies exist:

• Date formats: YYYY-MM-DD; DD MMMMMM YYYY; MMMMMM DD, YYYY; YYYY, MMM DD (short month name, with and without zero-padding of single digits); YYYY,MMM DD (no space between year and month); YYYY, MMMMMM DD (full month name)
• Name formats: full first names; first and middle initials separated by periods and a space; first and middle initials separated by periods and no space; first name and initials with a period and no space; full names separated with commas and an ampersand; full names separated with semicolons; sometimes there is a period after a middle initial, sometimes not
• Pages: listed after issue number and a colon; listed using "Pg."; listed in parentheses with "pp."
• Access dates: listed after "Retrieved"; listed after "Accessed"
• Location: Names of states sometimes listed in full, sometimes abbreviated in different ways ("California", "VA", "Il")

If this is all LSA style, LSA style must not be very prescriptive. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Citations

Are all broken. DrKay (talk) 10:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

• Apparently User:Wugapodes has been farking with the template. I almost never log on to WP, so may not follow up. I left him/her a message tho. • Serviceable†Villain 14:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
  • {{Cite LSA}} has been updated to better align with the style of other citation templates (lowercase arguments as opposed to uppercase arguments most notably) and to actually make citations in the LSA style (which it did not do previously). These updates broke the only instance of mainspace transclusion (this article). I took the liberty to fix the case issue in the citations of this article which restored them to moderately working order, however a number of issues still remain, namely:

-Citations of articles in journals lack page numbers which LSA style, and this template, requires

-Authors first names are missing which LSA style requires

-Different citation styles are used within the same reference section. See: WP:CITESTYLE

Wugapodes (talk) 04:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I have fixed the citations in this FA (and made them a bit more consistent, per this discussion and the discussion above) and posted a note at Template Talk:Cite LSA about the changes breaking transclusions of that template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Wow, it's the only remaining mainspace article using LSA? What happened to the other ones? The cherished editors who love the cite templates have been very, very busy! This is one compelling reason why I no longer edit here. I'll go look for the others, just tto see what happened.. but anyhow, Wikipedia, you... should have a nice day. • Serviceable†Villain 20:50, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

{{Cite LSA}} was not doing what it claimed to do, namely render author names in small caps. It was broken in a number of other ways, which is probably why the other (very small number of) mainspace articles were converted to use citation templates that are actively maintained.

{{Cite LSA}} has since been rewritten. In any case, as was well documented above, this article was not using the LSA format, or any format, consistently, so there's no need to get huffy. But thank you for wishing all of us a nice day! – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

• There may have been minor discrepancies, particularly if they crept in somehow after the template was created. The small caps worked when I made them. But it is all irrelevant now. I suppose that the convergence to one-format standardization helps new entrants into the ranks of Wikipedia, if such do exist. I do indeed hope you have a nice day.• Serviceable†Villain 22:56, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. There is though still a mixture of Harvcol style and Ref style. Citations should be consistently formatted as either footnotes or Harvard style inline not as a mixture of footnotes and parenthetical referencing. DrKay (talk) 19:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)