Talk:Taiwan Major League

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I don't think this article is a stub.--Jerrypp772000 23:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan vs. ROC

I support the use of "Taiwan" rather than "ROC" in this article. The article is referring mainly to the team's geographical, rather than political, base—Taiwan unambiguously refers to where they are from, whereas it doesn't really matter what political entity they are from. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that according to Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Republic_of_China.2C_Taiwan.2C_and_variations_thereof, "Taiwan" should be used when refering to the location, especially for birth places. More generally, although not formally documented, the convention for the usage of the common term "Taiwan" for the country ^[1]^[2]^[3]/region/area/people and the formal term "Republic of China" for the state^[4]. Whether you should refer to the region/people/country/area or whether you should refer to the state depends on context.

In the context of state functions such as politics, military, government, etc., use the state and the formal name "Republic of China". When referring to the cultural region, territory, island and/or location in a non-state, non-government context, use the more common name for the location, "Taiwan".

This convention makes sense. "Taiwan" is both more permanent and less controversial as a place. It is permanent because the place has always been there. Taipei has always been in Taiwan. It hasn't always been in the Republic of China. "Taiwan" is apolitical and neutral because all sides agree it is there. Whether you support the PRC's claims that the ROC is illegitimate, whether you support the ROC's claims that it is legitimate, and whether you agree with the PRC/ROC position that Taiwan is part of China, everyone can agree that Taipei is in Taiwan. In most of the usages we are dealing with, both here and in the host of other sports related articles, "Taiwan" is the location and is apolitical. So as location "Taiwan" is both more correct (long term) and more neutral. Readin (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. The policy is pretty clear, no need for some semantics war about Taiwanese independence. -Falcon8765 (talk) 20:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Also, in case if you haven't notice, many Taiwan-related articles has been edited with their location changed to Republic of China. For example, Genji Kaku's birth place was changed from Taitung, Taiwan to Taitung, Taiwan Province, Republic of China. This seems unnecessary as the article is simply stating the location where one was born, and the political entity that one came to be under the rule of is completely irrelevant. --K kc chan (talk) 00:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ Dictionary.com:Country "any considerable territory demarcated by topographical conditions, by a distinctive population, etc."
^ Country "Country (pronounced /ˈkʌntri/) may refer to the territory of a state"
^ Merriam-Webster:Country "the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship", "the people of a state or district : populace"
^ State "A sovereign state is a political association...", "A state usually includes the set of institutions that claim the authority..."

OK, despite some initial reservations I'm prepared to go along with this. My original thought was that everyone else gets a mention of their country of birth, why shouldn't these people. However I guess I can buy the argument that neutrality (and no loss of accuracy) wins out. DJ Clayworth (talk) 02:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the birth places in all these articles should be changed back to Taiwan for clarity. For instance, we don't say that Sean Connery is born in the UK, we say he's born in Scotland but it's quite simply more accurate. "Republic of China" can be understood as different things depending on political preferences or can be confused with "China" or "People's Republic of China", whereas there is no ambiguity about using "Taiwan". Laurent (talk) 14:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Dictionary.com:Country "any considerable territory demarcated by topographical conditions, by a distinctive population, etc."

[2] Country "Country (pronounced /ˈkʌntri/) may refer to the territory of a state"

[3] Merriam-Webster:Country "the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship", "the people of a state or district : populace"

[4] State "A sovereign state is a political association...", "A state usually includes the set of institutions that claim the authority..."

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