Talk:Tagline/Archives/2012

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2ndary definition

Can't a "tagline" also reference a shared cultural experience or opinion outside of any "branding" or "marketing" context? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ancientweb (talk • contribs) 19:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge suggested.

Note: "strapline" and "tagline" have the same meaning. IMDb.com uses "tagline". -- Pinktulip 02:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[Definitely separate]

Tagline chiefly refers to movies.

Strapline is chiefly British. - Ghosts&empties 10:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm British and I've never heard of "strapline"... - 86.142.18.200 00:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The article on advertising slogans appears to equate itself with straplines, which is confusing considering that strapline redirects to tagline. Suggest merging these into one article which can clarify any distinctions or region-specific uses of each term. Sroc (talk) 03:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I disagree that a merge is necessary because tagline is also commonly used in web design as well as movies. I wonder whether they should both be discussed in the same page, or in separate pages e.g. Tagline (movies) and Tagline (websites). Some discussion of the web design usage is found at: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010722.html Also, the fact that there have been so few responses to the merge proposal suggests that it is not needed. - Drstuey (talk) 00:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently there is no current interest in a merge in two years. I am removing the Merge template from the article. JMax (Okay, tell me. What'd I do this time?) 01:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Examples from films.

The article currently has 7 examples from films. Suggestions on reducing it to maybe just 5, and which ones? 5 of 7 are sci-fi, 1 is romance, and 1 is a plain thriller; so getting a better balance would be nice, keeping maybe just 2 sci-fi ones: Alien and Star Trek? -- Jeandré, 2008-02-17t21:02z

Well, there's obviously a lot of choices. We should try to keep them limited to taglines that have been oft-noted elsewhere. Citing IMDb is not really appropriate in this instance, as a tagline could be culled from any of its web pages. Perhaps we can Google around and find what better choices would be first. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 23:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean with "Citing IMDb is not really appropriate in this instance, as a tagline could be culled from any of its web pages". wp:v requires that all quotes be referenced, and the IMDd refs are to the films' tagline pages. -- Jeandré, 2008-02-19t11:57z

IMDb is a database, so it has web pages on many, many films. For films like Star Wars, Love Story, Star Trek, and The X-Files, there's no declared importance of their taglines. We need to back the fame of such taglines with reliable sources. I can personally understand the importance of all but the Love Story tagline, but we need to include citations to objectively show they are important. People in the future may not be as familiar with the fame of these taglines. So not only should we try to pick a variety of taglines from different genres, we should find the ones that have been independently noted as famous. Otherwise, we could just subjectively pick whatever tagline we like. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you're saying IMDb refs do no indicate notability - I agree and I've removed the 2 IMDb refs for taglines that already have notability refs (I put in the IMDB refs before I found the 2 notability refs). wp:v still requires that all quotes be referenced, so I've left the other IMDb refs there until we replace them with notability refs, or remove those taglines. -- Jeandré, 2008-02-20t11:41z

Great, that's what I was talking about. I would think that there's references to establish notability for the others, even though I'm sure to most people, it seems indisputable. :) I'll try to find some references myself, though I'm a bit busy this week. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 12:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it really arguable that the taglines of Star Wars, Star Trek, and Alien, for example, are particularly important and well-known? Many, many more people are going to pair "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" with Star Wars than will pair "Nothing on earth could ever come between them" with Titanic or "Every man dies. Not every man truly lives" with Braveheart, even though those are also very famous movies. For that matter, there are multiple book titles that incorporated "Where no man has gone before" or a variation as a reference to Star Trek. Let's not venture into "Scientific study reveals: People are happier on the weekends!" territory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.231.235 (talk) 04:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I added "Garbo talks!" and "Garbo laughs!" as two related examples of tag lines from the Golden Age of Hollywood. Most of the other examples are from the "Blockbuster" era of the late 1970s and 80s. (Note the contrast between star-based and concept-based marketing.) On an unrelated note, with some of the other examples, namely those from Star Wars, Love Story, Star Trek, and The X-Files, it could be argued that the fame of these phrases stems from their appearance in the film/tv-series, and not from their use in the film's marketing; i.e. they are famous film quotes which happen to have been used as tag lines, and not famous tag lines per se. Eljayess (talk) 15:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Headlines

Headlines. —Erik (talk • contrib) 23:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Taglines as self-references

Maybe some mention should be made to the effect that taglines are often self-referential? SharkD (talk) 07:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

    If I may,,,,  Example:  Worthpoint (reg.tm)
      Tagline:  Discover Your Hidden Wealth (tm)
                        Signed220.101.66.30 (talk) 00:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Further example

TAGLINE.... "Have the line of your life, No ordinary subtitle,A headline wouldn't be the same without it. Nobody puts tagline in a corner" To illustrate the creativity aspect, appologies to Dirty Dancing (movie). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.66.30 (talk) 23:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Types and forms

Taglines may use these concepts, possibly - aside, soliloquy, epigram. Not sure if they should be put in 'See Also' list. Signed JohnsonL623 (talk) 00:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC) Also, adage and so on. SignedJohnsonL623 (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2011 (UTC)