Talk:Tachyon/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Yitzilitt (talk · contribs) 18:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This review is dedicated as thanks to the Wikipedia community for helping me get the article Joel S. Levine to the point where I felt comfortable giving it a GAN (which it just passed!), so I'm going to try and give back by working on other GANs for while, starting with this one :) Yitz (talk)

detailed review section

As I work I will try to fill in this section with specific feedback. Yitz (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A good article is—

(1) Well-written

Actual Criteria

Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

criteria 1a is pretty much met in terms of minimum standards, in my opinion, although it certainly can be improved to be a bit more readable for the average reader. For criteria 1b, I edited the lead section significantly, so as to better follow MOS:LEAD, and I believe it now qualifies in that regard. Layout seems fine. Words to watch has a few words mentioned that are used in the article, but are used in the proper context, so shouldn't be a problem. The section on fiction doesn't really apply at all here, and finally, the section on lists doesn't present any problems here.

(2) Factually accurate and verifiable

Actual Criteria

Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);^[1] and

(c) it contains no original research.

Criteria 2a and 2c is mostly followed, with the exception of the section Tachyon#In_fiction, which seems to present original research without citation. I find myself unable to verify 2b is followed, and may need to call in a second reviewer who is more knowledgeable on the topic to go through this.

(3) Broad in its coverage

Actual Criteria

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;^[2] and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

Criteria 3a and 3b seem to be mostly followed, although I would add significantly more to the section Tachyon#In_fiction, as there really isn't much to the section right now, and is likely to be of high interest. I am also unsure if all of the technical sections are necessary, or even if they're mainstream in the scientific community.

(4) Neutral

Actual Criteria

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

4 is fully covered here, in my opinion, though it's possible there's some scientific bias I'm not aware of.

(5) Stable

Actual Criteria

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.^[3]

As far as I am aware, this article is indeed stable

(6) Appropriately illustrated

Actual Criteria

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:^[4]

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

6 is fully covered here.

Call for second opinion

I feel the need to bring on a second opinion at this point, due to my lack of technical knowledge which has prevented me from fully verifying this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yitzilitt (talk • contribs) 07:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yitzilitt, this is not a second opinion, but the use of arxiv sources makes me think this fails criterion 2b. Arxiv is sometimes reliable, but here, it is self-published research without evidence of peer review. Urve (talk) 23:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The use of arXiv sources is not a problem per se; the only two I found [1][2] are by recognized experts. I'm more worried about this one [3]: it is peer-reviewed, but published in a borderline journal, and is defending non-mainstream ideas. Also, the History section is problematic, it makes suspicious claims, and needs a secondary source to give an overview of what happened, as opposed to citing only the original proposals. I tagged it with a citation needed. Tercer (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second opinion by Femke

Firstly, I would like to thank the IP editor and the original reviewer for tackling such an important article. Unfortunately, I do not believe it meets the GA criteria as it stands. Criterion two is not met at the time. Like the original reviewer indicated, the text in the fiction section is not reflected by the source. This is however not the only instance of a failure to meet the verification criterion. Further examples are:

‘’ Further investigation of the experiment showed that the results were indeed erroneous’’
“This resulted in the necessity for the GSO projection.”
“and are probably inconsistent quantum mechanically.”

Agreed that the fiction section can be expanded, but would lean towards saying that the article does mean the broadness criteria, the expansion is only necessary for the more demanding FA criteria.

Like the original reviewer, I do not have the expertise to save the article is or isn’t neutral (a BSc in physics isn’t quite enough). However, given the article is not meeting criterion 2b, I do feel confident saying it does not meet the GA criteria. This second opinion request has been open sufficiently long that it's unlikely an expert will show up still. FemkeMilene (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Time to close?

Yitzilitt, as you are the original reviewer, it is up to you to complete the review. Under the circumstances, and with FemkeMilene's second opinion noting that the article indeed does not meet the GA criteria as you noted originally (2b in the verifiability criteria), the article should almost certainly be failed (especially as the original nominator has not addressed the issue since you first raised it in mid-February). Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:36, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Yitz (talk) 03:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.
^ This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
^ Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of constructive editing should be placed on hold.
^ The presence of media is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if media with acceptable copyright status is appropriate and readily available, then such media should be provided.

[1] Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.

[2] This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.

[3] Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of constructive editing should be placed on hold.

[4] The presence of media is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if media with acceptable copyright status is appropriate and readily available, then such media should be provided.

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