Talk:Tabla

Improve ?? pitch

The introduction mentions a black paste is applied to "improve pitch". To me it seems to be dependent on circumstances whether a higher or lower pitch is better, so maybe someone could clarify that... 95.209.64.47 (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Pitch isn't always used to mean pitch... here I think the tone, or timbre, is really what's meant. To be more specific, a drum has a broad spectrum of response that isn't really at a specific frequency. The hard black paste alters the way the drum vibrates as well as the way the hand transfers energy to the drum, and the result is a clearer pitch, that is, a sound which has a more specific, audible fundamental frequency. Dranorter (talk) 02:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The black paste is responsible for generating harmonic overtones. See, Raman, C. V.; Kumar, Sivakali (1920). "Musical Drums with Harmonic Overtones". Nature. 104 (2620): 500–500. doi:10.1038/104500a0. ISSN 0028-0836. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwarrior (talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Popular Culture References

The popular culture section is attracting everyones pet references to non-traditional uses of tabla. The latest, a list of songs by rock band Tool, exemplifies how out of control this can get. I submit that specfic references of the use of tabla do not belong in this article. It would be more approprite to create another page "List of uses of tabla" if people wish to enumerate the hundreds of thousands of specific uses of tabla. ~~

U make a very good point. People just aren't conscious of how much is out there, so they think listing examples for people who want to go hear music incorporating Tabla is a helpful idea. Well, maybe it is helpful, but still should be kept to one or two songs, and as an aside to the more important point that yeah, there are many many examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dranorter (talk • contribs) 02:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

List of Tabla Players

The "Famous Players" section on here is out of control. Soon every tabla player in the world will be famous enough to rate this list. There is a reason there is not a "Famous Authors" list on the "Book" page. I propose that it should be removed or relocated as it already dominates the space on this page and will only continue to get longer and increasingly meaningless. Any thoughts?

Excellent idea. I've been bold and removed all entries except the ones with en: articles. Maybe someone interested can resurrect them as and when articles get created. If it goes out of control again, it can be removed forever. Ambarish 01:23, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The additions to this list after your reduction I think seals the deal. While I'm sure all the listees are fine percussionists it is hard to imagine that any reasonably short list of famous tabla players can be maintained. I will create a new page and move it there

David, I think that a link to some famous tabla players is necessary if someone wants to look them up on youtube or elsewhere. I have created a stub for this and added the link to it the see also section since I couldn't find the page you have created. Feel free to redirect the link to your page if it is more comprehensive. Truetyper (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

External Link to Instructional Materials

• An edit war has ensued between myself ( 66.159.228.53 ) and another editor ( 68.55.238.30 ). The other party would like to have a link to his [product] and I understand that: "Wikipedia disapproves strongly of links that are added for advertising purposes." Wikipedia Policy. I have sent the other editor two personal e-mails using the address from his site (support@aimrec.com). I included the link to the relevent wikipedia policy and asked politely that he stop placing an advertising link on this page. His response has only been in the form of readding his link several more times. Opinions? Courses of action?

In my opinion, the article isn't improved by the link. It's been two days now and the link hasn't been re-added, so perhaps the other editor has come to agree. I'll add this page to my watchlist. Jkelly 03:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Hindi

If a further explanation is not given "gharānā (ghar = "house" Hindi, -ānā = "of the" Persian" needs to be changed. Because gharānā, means, to quote my dictionary:

घराना [*gharāyatana-], 1. family, household. 2. house, lineage. 3. school (of music, dance).

In this sense the -ānā suffix is indeed a Persian derived element meaning roughly "of the", but we need to be more careful when we cut and paste, and use italics! And then, I'm not even touching the Urdu-Hindi issue! Anyway, sorry for nit-picking, the transliteration is actually good. Although 'ṁ' or 'ⁿ' would be preferable to indicate the nasalization instead of 'ñ' for such words as दायाँ, since ñ is usually used for ञ्. Khirad^talk 08:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

taal?

i was reading the tabla page, and i feel that the essence of the instrument lies in an understanding of complex rythm. an explenation of the sum and various taals would be welcome.

also the concept of a khali or the third repetition in teen taal is very unique to our understanding of rythm.

I've added a link to tala under the See also heading. A brief article on tintal does exist.

Ferdinand Pienaar 10:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

This dissertation here would be very valuable for the discussion under taals: "Origin and development of compositional styles in Hindustani Tabla and Carnatic Mridangam: A comparitve study. https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/220550

Dugi tabla

On [1] it is stated 'the tabla or daina on the right and the banya or dugi on the left'. Can these terms be somehow added to the article? Wiki-uk 12:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Forget it, I found it in the section 'Nomenclature and construction'... Wiki-uk 12:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Tuning

Does anyone have information on how to tune a tabla and use the hammer? Ozzykhan 15:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

merge

On 6/2/2007 I completed the proposed merger of tabla and tabla positioning. Looks good to me. Swsnow 20:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

disambiguation

The word "tabla" can refer to two different drums: the indian tabla, and the north african tabla, which narrow at the base (goblet shaped rather than rounded). As soon as I've written a halfway decent entry on the african tabla, I'll add a disambiguation page. --Wren-3^talk 12:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Throw out the baby with the bath water?

I have noticed recent edits from DaGizza on the 5th of July 2007 are very extreme. It goes to the point of excluding useful and relevant content from thye article in the name of POV. ALL the external links are gone as well as information about Gharanas etc. IMHO, someone who claims to be an Administrator should have at least tried to help by following the links to the other articles and then putting up a constructive suggestion or a citation tag etc. rather than indulging in disruptive edits. -Deepraj | Talk 09:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The May revision fest starting with Rohan's self promotion and ending with his removing the majority of the article and replacing it with a haphazard bullet list seems rash. I think this article is best served by returning it to its previous state and letting more thoughtful editors improve from there.

Wikipedia Tabla Taskforce

I've proposed a Wikipedia tabla taskforce so that the tabla page can be cleaned up and relevant references added. Also, so that the relevant 'splinter articles', such as bols, talas, etc., can be better maintained. Please express your interest here to get this taskforce up-and-running. Simon ives (talk) 04:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Improving the article

The main article implies an interior construction that is dissimilar to its outer parts. If there is an external head to the drum, what does the internal head look like? It would be too expensive for me to buy one, simply to take it apart to see how it works.

The main article could be improved by adding a schematic or two, perhaps in JPG form. I am curious what the inside looks like. Putting a picture up, or even a cut-away illustration would help. 216.99.201.79 (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Introduction Paragraphs

What is the correlation between the decay of the drum and the sound of dubstep? I see no correlation at all, nor are any sources provided to validate this. It doesn't even designate what part of dubstep this sounds like and applies this boastful term as a blanket to the decay sound. I suggest that this is removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.49.109.198 (talk) 22:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

tabla origin ?

the name tabla is from arabic word, i think tabla were originated from Arab world. i don't think it come from india, cause tabla made from cow skin, and in hinduism cows were holy animals, so they didn't kill cows and they didn't used cow skin to make tabla...so make sense if Arab or moslem that give influenced to india when moslem ruled in india. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatree (talk • contribs) 08:54, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@Shatree: Tabla can be reliably dated archaeologically, as the article indicates, to *at least* 200 BCE. That would be centuries, nearly a millenium, before any Arab presence in the area. It also wouldn't be via cultural diffusion from the Arabs, who were relatively isolated during this period. If it came from any other culture, it would have likely come from the Babylonians, with whom they traded, and from whom we have actual epigraphic evidence of similar percussion instruments dating back to the Bronze Age- long before the ascendency or even presence of an Arab culture even close to this region.

You're also assuming that cultures are static, and unchanging. Vedic culture has many examples of cattle butchering, and making leather products from cattle. In fact, cattle sacrifice was a regular feature in the Rg Veda. Widespread adoption of vegetarianism in India was due to the influence of Jainism during the Upanisadic period. And the veneration of cows, due in part, to the spread of Vaishnavism and attached stories involving Krishna... Which happened during the late classical and early medieval period. It isn't common knowledge, but there are still many isolated places in India where religious reforms did not significantly affect diet, and cattle are still eaten.

At any length, the archaeological and textual evidence proves it dates to long before any Muslim influence, the Mughal Empire, or even their invasion of the Persian Empire. Tabla also isn't specifically an Arab word; saying it was derived from that would be considered a "folk etymology" or "false etymology". It just sounds similar, which is a common linguistic phenomenon. I'm just guessing, as I haven't studied Sanskrit, but it's more than likely cognate with the Latin word, meaning roughly "surface", or "table".

If you were just curious, I hope I helped. But as that seemed to be a statement rather than a question, I should remind you that talk pages are not a forum for original research, and most of this information is at least alluded to in the article. Your assumption can also easily be easily proven wrong with a Google search for reliable, scholarly sources. Quinto Simmaco (talk) 07:05, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

in arabia they have camels, not cows. there is a cave engraving in india which shows tabla even before common era, so this arabian or persian or turkish tabla myth which dont have any instrument minutely resembling tabla should be rested now. you have only single barrel drum, nothing else Rameezraja001 (talk) 10:47, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

The name Tabla can be easily explained. It was created by musicians under patronage of Islamic rulers. Given all the eveidence in the article itself, the Turk-Arab origins should be given less prominence in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.149.76 (talk) 00:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

The conclusions on this talk page doesn't reflect the article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.149.76 (talk) 00:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Re orginise

I have tried to reorganize this article (the history section as it had become too expansive) by creating the subheadings "gharanas" and "raga". However I feel more is needed as some of the information may be representative or incorrect, thus could someone with some expertise on this topic please have a look.Bodha2 (talk) 06:57, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

origin of Tabla

i am strongly believe that tabla was from Arab or west asia, cause some reasons

1. language origin of "tabla" was from arabic

2. cow is holy animal for hindu peoples, so how can they create or think to create tabla from the cow skin ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatree (talk • contribs) 07:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

made of goat skin not cow skin Tabla making, tabal is also a word in indo aryan languages as recorded in assamese version of ramayana as 'tabal' in fourteenth century AD, there is also no tabla like instrument from arabia to say the least even if the instrument has an arabic name, doesnt necessarily mean arab origins, as muslims ruled indian subcontinent for a long time and arabic was among the official languages, regards. 175.137.72.188 (talk) 10:24, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

The cow leather argument also doesn't sustain because instruments such as Mridangam and others, which have been featuring prominently in Hindu temples are also made up parts from cow leather. Cwarrior (talk) 03:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Tabla notation

"Maula Bakhsh (born as Chole Khan in 1833) was an Indian musician, singer and poet. His grandson was Inayat Khan, founder of Universal Sufism. He developed the "first system of notation for Indian music". He also founded the "first Academy of Music in India" in 1886, based in Baroda that encompassed both Eastern and Western musical cultural traditions."

Vishnu Narayan Bhatkhande is generally credited for modern Hindustani classical notations (Bhatkande notation). The statement above taken from the current writeup needs verification. --Cwarrior (talk) 05:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Pandit vs Ustad

It's not Pandit for Hindu players and Ustad for Muslim players. It's Pandit for Hindu Players and Ustad for everyone else (including Sikh players). Kmanny5 (talk) 16:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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