Talk:Tabitha and Napoleon D'umo/GA3

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Reviewer: North8000 (talk · contribs) 00:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Overall a nice article. I can see that a lot of work has gone into this. North8000 (talk) 15:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for recognizing that. I have put a lot of work into this. //Gbern3 (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The logo and the screenshot images are non-free images, so they need an article-specific fair-use rationale. (at the images, for this article.) It might be simply a matter of copying (if applicable) the existing use-rationale at the image, as they have a use-rationale for article/title which re-directs to this article. The other images are all free and so do not require this. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. North8000 (talk)

In the 1996-2007..... section, "Nappytabs is the first line of hip-hop dance apparel" is quite a claim and unsourced. North8000 (talk) 18:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. //Gbern3 (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. North8000 (talk) 11:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Under "critical reception" "it is the first time dance has headlined a show on the Las Vegas Strip." is quite a claim and I didn't see it in the source. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think this can be understood based on what's stated in the source. Quote from the source: "The message is clear: A new kind of Vegas show has arrived. Indeed, many see MÜS.I.C, which premiered Friday at Hollywood Theatre inside the MGM Grand, as a milestone for hip-hop culture and the dance community as a whole. So You Think You Can Dance judge Mary Murphy has been dancing for longer than most of the JabbaWockeeZ have been alive, and on the MÜS.I.C red carpet she said a show of this type would have been impossible even six years ago. Dance has come a long way, thanks in part to shows like SYTYCD and America's Best Dance Crew, which catapulted the JabbaWockeeZ into the mainstream in 2008 during its inaugural season. "Who knows? Maybe we'll have a ballroom show here in Vegas," said Murphy. "Anything is possible now in dance." Ballroom dance filling the MGM Grand Garden Arena may be a stretch, but others at the MÜS.I.C premiere agreed that JabbaWockeeZ are opening up possibilities when it comes to dance as a headliner, rather than a supplement to music or others types of entertainment. 'They are showing people that you can be in Las Vegas with your own show [as a hip-hop dance group]. That is major,' said rapper and ABDC judge Lil Mama." The author's tone along with the quotes from Mary Murphy and Lil Mama insinuate that this show is the first. I think it's clear enough. Maybe it's just me :-/. //Gbern3 (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It might be more of a matter of fine points of wording. Could you possibly be meaning that it's the first time that hip hop dance has headlined a show in Vegas? I'm no expert on this, (and I could be wrong) but I would imagine that there are hundreds of venues in Vegas, and that lots of them include dancing, and so to me "it is the first time dance has headlined a show on the Las Vegas Strip." seems like an extraordinary (some would say implausible) claim which would need to be pretty ate least directly sourced. Probably not so if the "hip hop" qualifier were in there. Happy to discuss further if you do not agree. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Adding "hip-hop"... Added. //Gbern3 (talk) 04:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Resolved. North8000 (talk) 10:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the lead "who are often credited with developing lyrical hip-hop" is quite a claim, but it is not sourced and I also didn't see that in the article (lead should be a summary of what's in the article.)

It is in the article under Lyrical hip-hop. The quote from this section of the article states: "Due to Shankman's comment and their subsequent work on seasons four through seven, Tabitha and Napoleon are credited with developing this style.[1][37][48][91]" Quotes from the sources: LAist.com "This married couple is known for a their lyrical hip hop style that tells a story." Gloss magazine "What if she had pursued a career in communications? If he had become a biologist? Worse yet, what if they had never met? Unless producers Nigel Lythgoe and Randy Jackson can whip up match-making reality shows featuring hip-hopping public relation specialists and scientists, the world may never know the brilliance of lyrical hip hop." People magazine "The pair, who has worked with stars like Beyoncé and Missy Elliott, is known for an innovative lyrical hip-hop style that has garnered them quite a following since they joined the FOX show in 2008." Expressionist magazine "The amazing husband and wife choreography team, Napoleon and Tabitha D’Umo, are taking the hip-hop routines on Fox’s “So You Think You Can Dance” to an all new level... Tonight was the first time I had heard the term, “lyrical hip-hop,” but it struck me as a profound category." Extra source used elsewhere in the article: Press of Atlantic City "D'Umo and her husband have been credited with inventing lyrical hip-hop..." //Gbern3 (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edited to add: It is also in the 2008–2009: Dance shows and mainstream exposure section--> "In addition to ABDC and Rock the Reception, they joined the choreography and judging team on the fourth season of So You Think You Can Dance (SYTYCD).[37] It was on this show that their lyrical hip-hop choreography style gained mainstream exposure. Lyrical hip-hop is a fluid and more interpretive version of standard hip-hop often danced to downtempo rap music or R&B music. The term itself was coined by choreographer and producer Adam Shankman in reference to a routine choreographed by Tabitha and Napoleon to Leona Lewis' song "Bleeding Love". "Bleeding Love" was nominated for a 2009 Emmy Award for Outstanding Choreography.[38]" //Gbern3 (talk) 06:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that thorough answer, and I think that it establishes that the phrase is fine in both respects, especially with the new addition. Resolved. North8000 (talk) 11:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria final checklist

Well-written

Meets this criteria. North8000 (talk) 11:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Factually accurate and verifiable

Meets this criteria. North8000 (talk) 10:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Broad in its coverage

Meets this criteria, for its topic. North8000 (talk) 11:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each

Meets this criteria. North8000 (talk) 10:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

Meets this criteria North8000 (talk) 18:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Illustrated, if possible, by images

Meets this criteria. Article has 4 images; the two non-free images have article-specific use rationales. North8000 (talk) 18:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Result

This article has passed as a Wikipedia Good Article. Congratulations and nice work! North8000 (talk) 10:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC) Reviewer[reply]

Thank you very much! //Gbern3 (talk) 06:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]