Talk:Ta'amreh

Antiquities theft is not "assistance"

"Assisted" with archaeological discoveries? Assisted as much as any tomb robber "assists": find, smash what looks cheap, sell what seems to them to be the "goodies" to highest black market bidder. Once Jordan, then Israel, tried to stop them, they worked with the authorities - but just when no other option was available. LOTS of hugely important, looted material lost for good, see Qumran Cave 12. Poverty, perception of property over everything perceived as tribal territory, lack of understanding of modern world where the state can impose restrictive laws - all understood, but let's stay grounded, no less than a judge would. Everyone of us has lost immensely because of such "assistance" everywhere in the world. Arminden (talk) 13:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Jewish origin and Palestinian militancy

See the recent terror attack on civilians waiting in their cars at a checkpoint in the occupied territories (A1 highway near Ma'aleh Adummim) by Ta'amreh gunmen. Eladkarmel has just added a category relating to the tribe's possible Jewish origin, the topic could be expanded on. A connection is quite plausible in my mind.

This article talks of "the village of Ta'amra, and ... Za'atara." I'm not aware of any village called Ta'amra, probably means Beit Ta'mir. Za'atara is considered to be the core village of the Ta'amra cluster. Arminden (talk) 13:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's the Negev story all about?

Probably somebody didn't make the difference between Judaean Desert & Judaean Mountains on one hand, and Negev on the other. Desert is desert, what the heck :) Or did the T. ever go to the northern Negev, say, for grazing? Arminden (talk) 00:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Translation of Hebrew art. makes page heavily one-sided

Jewish ancestry not the only interesting aspect about them. Desert fringe existence, move (back & forth?) between sedentarism and nomadic life; what aspects of Bedouin culture, if any, do they still preserve (traditions, music, habits,...); why did they settle when they did, and why there; did they keep tribal cohesion, do they still marry within the tribe; multi-tribal villages: how did they come about; interaction with Christian monks (desert monasteries); and so forth.

Their presence in Jordan is not sourced. Where? How? Given the mistakes transferred from Hebrew page (Jerusalem instead of Bethlehem area, Negev instead of Judaean desert & hills), I can't trust it w/o proof.

There seems to be a place (village?) called after them, w/o Beit as part of the name, just Ta'amra. Is there really one?

The Arabic page looks desastrously folkloristic at best, but offers a popular etymology for the tribal name, if Google Translate did its job correctly. Maybe worth looking into. Arminden (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it wrong, tribe allegedly called after village of Beit Ta'mir, not the other way 'round. It goes on to say:

"The word Al-Ta’amra is a plural noun, and its singular form is Ta’amri, which is someone who is affiliated with Beit Ta’amr, just as Al-Talhami is affiliated with Bethlehem, [etc., examples] ....

Bayt Ta'mar is an ancient ruin named after Omar ibn al-Khattab, who passed by the place when Jerusalem was conquered, and perhaps spent the night or prayed in it. A small mosque was built there in its courtyard with a well that kept the water cold throughout the seasons. There is also the Omar bin Al-Khattab Mosque in Bethlehem."

So Omar -> Beit Ta'mir -> Ta'amreh. Arminden (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]