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I discovered the July 2009 issue of Tarpa Topics (TWA Active Retired Pilots Association) online at: http://issuu.com/tarpa_topics/docs/2009.07.tarpa_topics# It contains lots of info about the people involved and many more details about the flight and the crash starting from page 29 on. It should help expand the article. ww2censor (talk) 14:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that effort, but I found that article almost impossible to use. It keeps sliding all around when I try to read it and the font is so small I have to use a magnifying glass. Then, if I want to copy and paste any passage, so that I can have the info in front of me as I write my own narrative about what that article says, I found that is impossible too. Whoever set up that website apparently is determined to prevent anyone from copying anything said there. The only recourse is to try and type a few words at a time, from what I read there with my magnifying glass and that just takes way too long. I have neither the time available, nor the patience to do that. Hopefully, you or someone else will. EditorASC (talk) 09:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have had no real difficulty as you describe being easily able to enlarge the page width to full screen which is bigger then the printed page, or even bigger, so no magnifying glass needed here. I don't know but maybe it's a Windows thing. Just click on the full screen arrows at the right side of the control panel. I don't think they allow copying but anyway that could be considered a copyright violation anyway but I know it is easier to refactor or read offline like that. I just set up an account, which is free, and was able to download the full publication. I can send it to you offline if you email me and inlcude a return address. That might be easiest. Let me know. @EditorASC: ww2censor (talk) 15:13, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it was OK to try and copy it a different way, if a complete download was allowed. But, once I signed up, I could not find that particular magazine. It displayed hordes of others that had nothing to do with aviation and without a search function it appeared to be a lost cause to me. Finally, I figured out a way to save just that one article in that magazine, so I have it now. Of course I won't distribute it to anyone else and it will only be used to be sure I am accurate, if I choose to write about what that article has to say.

Again, thanks for your help in posting that link. EditorASC (talk) 02:41, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The website hides a menu bar at the very top of the screen forcing you to scroll up a little to reveal the search box. I then just entered "Tarpa" and up came a page with lots of the magazine. The one we want was in the top row. I also tried "Star of Cairo" with the parenthesis and it came up first. BTW Star of Cairo was the name of the aircraft when it crashed; Cairo Skychief was a previous name. The site is a bit quirky but it has quite some coverage of diverse topics not found elsewhere. There is more then just the one article in that issue but also about the air hostess and other information. I hope you have it all now but if not the offer of emailing the full magazine still stands. I'm off on a wikibreak so you may not see any activity from me until the end of the month. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 08:05, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will give it another try. Part of the problem might be that I cannot set my Windows 8.1 display on my laptop at the recommended level because the fonts are so incredibly small that I have to use a magnifying glass to read the text. I have it set to a resolution that enables me to read text without the MG, but at some websites that really screws up their display when using Windows OS in combination with Fire Fox. I have tried using Linux Umbuntu and the display of web pages is much, much better, but there is a rather long and time-consuming learn curve with Linux, so I haven't been able to pursue that too much of late.

Thanks much for your infinite patience; greatly appreciated. EditorASC (talk) 03:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you are doing to have such small font problems. Just click on the image of the magazine and it enlarges immediately without having to make any display changes and if you go into full screen mode (by clicking on the double arrows at the right of the righthand tool panel) it gets even bigger when you mouse click on the full screen image. However I am on a Mac but that should not make a big difference. Try what I suggest or I will email it to you instead of you wasting your time messing with a mag glass. GTG go a flight to catch. ww2censor (talk) 08:17, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I finally figured out how to get around the problems I am having with that website and have downloaded several of the TWA Pilot Mags. The July, 2005 issue has a story about the crash of TWA flight 260, that flew into the Sandia Mountains, shortly after takeoff on Feb 19, 1955. It proved to be one of the longest investigations in US history. The initial finding was that the pilot flew into that mountain DELIBERATELY. It took the dogged persistence of fellow TWA pilots, to clear the name of that deceased Captain. The CAB finally revised that very wrong initial finding and blamed the crash on a defective fluxgate compass, instead of the Captain's suicide.

You are correct; this website is a wealth of good information for Wiki editors. Thanks for finding it and in helping me to figure out how to use it. EditorASC (talk) 19:42, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]