Talk:Symphony No. 0 (Bruckner)

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Include?

The following was in an early draft of the article. While I can certainly understand the argument of people who say it doesn't belong in the article, I think it's an interesting bit of trivia. Anton Mravcek 21:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

In the CD collection of the Wayne State University Music Department, CD's are identified with 4-digit number stickers. A recording of symphony no. 0 with Georg Solti is identified as 0000.

Weasel comment

In the fourth movement section, the weasel statement, "reminds some listeners of Rossini" is an unattributed opinion. It doesn't remind me of Rossini, and I don't know anyone who has said this, so I added the citation needed tag. (The comment above was posted by 18:56, 23 June 2006 Sean Parmelee)

I think it's in Derek Watson's book Bruckner. Robert Simpson would be my second guess. Anton Mravcek 19:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beaming in fourth movement

Is that the original beaming? It looks pretty odd, as in the first bar, there are three quavers to a beat, then in the next bar there are two quavers to a beat. Normally the quavers in the first bar would be marked with a triplet sign, or the key signature would be 12/8 and the quavers in the second bar would be marked with a duplet sign. But this has neither...anyone know? Stevage 06:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Complete Cycles

Performances and recordings of the "complete" Bruckner Symphonies often exclude No. 0, most notably excepting the boxed sets of Riccardo Chailly, Georg Tintner and former Chicago Symphony Orchestra conductors Daniel Barenboim and Sir Georg Solti.

Should Skrowaczewski's cycle with the Saarbrücken RSO be included? I believe the Arte Nova release of that cycle has all 11 symphonies: the canonical 9, die Nullte, and the Study Symphony.

(As a sidenote, this particular recording of die Nullte is also included in Brilliant Classics' rerelease of the EMI Jochum/Dresden cycle) --Dhraakellian (talk) 02:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion

Symphony No. 0 (Bruckner) and Symphony in D minor (Bruckner) (and Talk:Symphony No. 0 (Bruckner) and Talk:Symphony in D minor (Bruckner)) should be merged. They were moved by copy-and-paste. --Tijd-jp (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the (retro-)redirection to Symphony No. 0 (Bruckner) for the following reasons:

The official name is Symphony in D minor (German: Symphonie d-Moll). "No. 0" or "Die Nullte" (German) are nicknames. See, e.g., Anton Bruckner Critical Complete Edition or Bruckner's discography.
Moreover, numbering it as "No. 0" is not correct, for the following reasons:
- The number "0" was not assigned by the composer. Bruckner had nullified the symphony and put a "ø" on the front page of the manuscript. This "ø" was rendered later (wrongly) as a "No. 0".
- Chronologically "No. 0" is not correct, because this symphony was composed in 1869, i.e., between Symphony No. 1 (1866) and Symphony No. 2 (1872).

--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read WP:UCN? Toccata quarta (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned above, the Bruckner's discography uses the name Symphony in D minor, with as comment: "Sometimes referred to as "Die Nullte" or Symphony No. "0"" and Anton Bruckner's Critical Complete Edition uses the name Symphony in D minor too with into parentheses "'No. 0'; 1869", as German nickname "Nullte" (See the front page of its Critical Complete Edition on [1]). No. 0 or Nullte is a nickname as e.g., Romantic for Symphony No. 4 (See [2]). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I made a copy-and-paste with a REDIRECTION instead of a "MOVE" (my mistake!). It should be fixed properly, i.e., merging the current two pages to a single page Symphony in D minor (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

History-merge here is not possible because of WP:Parallel histories. I see nothing wrong with numbering from 0 :: in this computer age numbering from 0 is well-known of. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]