Talk:Swiderian culture

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Swiderian, Ahrensburg, and Post-Swiderian

"The Developed Swiderian appeared with their migrations to the north and is characterized by tanged blades: this stage separates the northwestern European cultural province, embracing Belgium, Holland, northwest Germany, Denmark and Norway, and the Middle East European cultural province, embracing Silesia, Brandenburgia, Poland, Lithuania, White Russia, Central Russia, Ukraine and the Crimea." The "Northwestern European cultural province" is actually the area of the Ahrensburg culture; there is no Swiderian in, e.g., Norway.

It is questionable whether the lengthy discussion on the post-Swiderian complex belongs here; post-Swiderian is a separate and quite extensive phenomenon that definitely should have its own entry in Wikipedia. What this article needs, however, is a more thorough description of actual Swiderian itself.--Death Bredon (talk) 06:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Tanged blades" apparently means tanged points. These were present, however, in both the Ahrensburgian and the Swiderian cultures; the difference is in the method of manufacture. Ahrensburgian tanged points are made from unidirectional percussion blades sectioned by the microburin technique into lozenge-formed blanks and are asymmetrical (only one edge of the tip is retouched), while Swiderian points are made from blanks preformed on the core by bidirectional percussion removals and are self-bladed; only the tang is retouched. Post-Swiderian points are made from unidirectional pressure blades with symmetrical invasive retouch on the ventral side of the tip. All three are so different in concept that they in all probability have separate origins.--Jarmo K. (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Date Inconsistent

Different parts of this article say that the Swiderian started at 11,000 BP, 11,000 BC, and 10,000 BC. These dates do not have citations. This inconsistentcy needs to be corrected ASAP with accurate dates, with citations to actual sources. 75.73.8.37 (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The dates now seem to be consistent; however, the inline sources are still missing. They appear to be mostly from Polish sources, as more completely cited e.g., in the Danish wiki. Generally, the article is very much Polish nationalistic centered, as if the Swiderian were a Polish nationalist culture. So, giving a national map to vizualize the location of the name-giving site is unusual in wiki. A link is sufficient.

In fact, it is NAZI usage.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:821:DB3F:6F77:B905 (talk) 06:41, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Polish nationalism

Both graphs demonstrate a pur Polish distribution which is absolutely mistaken and appears nationalistic only.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:A820:5354:20FC:97A0 (talk) 07:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]