Talk:Susan Sweney

A fact from Susan Sweney appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 April 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Second World War fascist Susan Sweney (pictured) was shipwrecked so often that she described herself as "many times drowned"?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Susan Sweney

~~... that fascist broadcaster Susan Sweney (pictured) was "many times drowned"?~~
ALT1:... that British fascist in Germany, Susan Sweney, (pictured) was suspected by the Gestapo of spying for the Allies?
ALT2:... that Second World War fascist Susan Sweney (pictured) was jailed by both the Germans and the British?
ALT3:... that after Susan Sweney (pictured) was shipwrecked during the Second World War, she cursed the crew who rescued her so much that they nicknamed her "the devil's roast"?

Reviewed: Pedicularis sylvatica
Comment: Still got some tidying to do.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Long enough, new enough, well-cited (though some require a subscription). QPQ provided as well, no copyvio issues. I say ALT2 is the most interesting hook, but I'd word it as:
ALT2a:... that World War II fascist Susan Sweney (pictured) was jailed by both the Germans and the British?"

ALT3 is sufficient as well. Only holding back approval due to your comment; is your "tidying" done? Let me know what you think through a ping. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I still have some to add and I hope to source a better version of the picture in a few days. I have added "both". Incidentally, she was shipwrecked by them both too which must make her unique as being shipwrecked and jailed by both sides. I haven't yet thought of a good way of putting that in a hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Philafrenzy, it's been over a month since this was nominated, which is lots of time for tidying. Any idea how soon this will be ready? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: It appears that Philafrenzy made several edits to the article over the course of a few days, ending on February 29th. Did those edits address the concerns? Also pinging the reviewer Nice4What. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will check over it today and say whether I think it is done. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for new review. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 13:06, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have just re-read it. I think it is ready. BTW I think the image is an integral part of the nom as she looks so innocent which contrasts nicely with the hooks. The haircut is the key feature. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~@Philafrenzy:, did you pass this? --evrik ^(talk) 04:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

Thanks, Nice4What is the reviewer, I am the author and nominator. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. --evrik ^(talk) 19:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a:... that during the Second World War, fascist Susan Sweney (pictured) was shipwrecked so often she referred to herself as "many times drowned"?

ALT2b:... that during the Second World War, fascist Susan Sweney (pictured) was jailed by both the Germans and the British?"
ALT3a:... that fascist broadcaster Susan Sweney (pictured) was shipwrecked twice during World War II?

ALT3b:... that shipwrecked broadcaster Susan Sweney (pictured) was nicknamed "the devil's roast" by her rescuers due to the verbal abuse she gave them?

@Nice4What:, did you pass this? --evrik ^(talk) 04:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I requested a second opinion. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 20:03, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice4What about what? Philafrenzy (talk) 20:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For someone to look at the review. That's why I used the template. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 21:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Philafrenzy:, is this ready for a final review --evrik ^(talk) 22:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you. Philafrenzy (talk) 06:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

--evrik ^(talk) 11:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: Are you not the second reviewer? You should be able to pass this... Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 14:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Okay. I'm approving Alt2a, and offering Alt3a as an alternate for the promoter.~~ --evrik ^(talk) 21:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with the original hook that she was "many times drowned"? It's pithy and curious. (Also we should use Second World War rather than World War II as that is more normal in a British English article) Philafrenzy (talk) 21:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article's title is World War II for the English Wikipedia, that's why. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 22:22, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but we regularly use Second World War instead in hooks with British English. Philafrenzy (talk) 05:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm withdrawing my approval and offering up a couple of more hooks. --evrik ^(talk) 16:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed for the various hooks. This supersedes the tick to indicate the withdrawn approval (tick icon has been restored per DYK norms). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spot-checked the article and reviewed the proposed hooks. Either ALT1a or ALT3b work, I prefer ALT1a.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]