Talk:Survivalism in fiction

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I have a film to suggest be added to the list. Let me preface this by saying I do not believe there should be any reference to zombies or zombie films. They don't have a place on the list.

Having said that, the film 28 Days Later contains a number of powerful survivalist themes. Some of the dialogue by the main characters cover the philosophies behind the survival mindset. The breakdown of society depicted is not that of supernatural zombies, but rather a neurotropic virus that causes violent behavior in the patient. The infected individuals are even shown dying of starvation toward the end of the film. In the strictest sense, it is not a zombie picture.

My thought is to add a short reference to the film and how it relates to survivalism. Along with the reference, we can have a hidden message indicating that zombie films are not allowed on the list in order to dissuade inappropriate listings. Surv1v4l1st ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 02:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

While I agree that the film is NOT a zombie movie, and it DOES fit in the "apocalyptic" genre, it does NOT fit in the survivalist genre, because none of the characters are survivalists. (Namely, they did not prepare BEFORE the disaster.) Trasel (talk) 03:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and good point. However, if previous preparedness is a core criteria for inclusion, there are several present listings that need to be removed. A good number of the fictional portrayals depict the characters preparing after the disaster has occurred or while it continues to unfold.

Also, it may prove difficult to draw a fine line on how much preparedness the characters had undergone. In the genre such preparedness ranges from almost none, to extremely well prepared. Surv1v4l1st ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 15:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

There's a book, Zombie Survival Guide written by Max Brooks. It is generally survivalist approach to Zombie apocalypse scenario. I think it should be included.

Which brings me to the point - WHY zombie movies should be not included? I understand that they tend to overuse world "survivalist" just for describing persons who survived, but not prepared for the disaster - but when someone actucally PREPARES for zombie apocalypse (or general danger) his portrayal in zombie fiction is as good as in any other work. Exclusion of zombie movies is ridiculous. Instead, isn't it better to state that they must be explicitly about Survivalist as Wiki describes it?77.253.23.158 (talk) 02:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

What exactly is the distinction to post-/apocalyptic fiction and survival films/games?

I'm not entirely sure how to best keep those conceptions apart. Post-apocalyptic and apocalyptic works of fiction typically depict the protagonists "surviving" the extreme situation....and afaik if the approaches of survival are organized and structured well enough they could be called "survivalism"(?). Or is it more about the preparation happening before the disaster? Or something different entirely?
Whatever the case there might be some entries that ought to be removed off this list depending on how this list's topic gets defined / constrained.
I just think that it would be a good thing to have some inclusion criteria with clear distinctions now.

Also I'm not sure if Category:Works about disasters applies to this article as maybe it's more about the preparation for disasters and not the disasters and their management and impact and as the list features entries without any "disaster".

And what about adding Category:Survival video games and Category:Post-apocalyptic video games for further information to the top of the Games and other formats section?

--Fixuture (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)