Talk:Supporters of FC Barcelona

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Mumblings

I propose moving this page back to 'Cules'. I have already linked Cules on the nickanem section of FC Barcelona to here.

"Culés" is not a good name since it can be written in three different ways, in Catalan "Culers", in Spanish "Culés" and in Spanish without diacritics "Cules". That is why I think that "Supporters of FC Barcelona" is a better title.--SMP - talk (en) - talk (ca) 11:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

external links

The list is a continuous growing mess, I propose split them in "reference sites", "fan sites" , ... --Jor70 13:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, culers does not mean "arses" (That would be "culs") but "arse people" or "ass people". I'm editing for the sake of correctness, even if it's such a trifle detail. --SatoshiMiwa 10:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"a cause of debate in the recent presidential election in June 2010, where non-Catalan members where barred from voting" This is an absolute lie, I don't know who wrote this but this is hilarious. Just to mention that Johann Cruyff is dutch. I will therefore erase this part of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homespider (talk • contribs) 20:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Supporters of FC Barcelona/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: NapHit (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would start off the lead with a bit about the football club, so you can establish for the reader who the club is, then after that delve into the details about the supporters
- had a go at it
Some images need alt text and others (the ronaldinho one being the prime example) need improving, remember your describing the picture for those who cannot see it, look here for some tips

This needs still needs to be done NapHit (talk) 13:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You need to make the political situation clearer in the lead, to the casual reader, they could read it as being Barca that is under authoritarian rule
- is it better now?
Second para is too short try and flesh it out
"In the mid 1940s the club invented the notion of penyes, a mix between a fan club and a support club" - to me fan club and support club are the same thing, I think you need to distinguish why they are different if indeed they are at all
- It's in the meaning "friends of FC Barcelona", I've added financial so it reads "financial support group".
You need to say in English what Més que un club means as I'm sure many readers will not know
- Gotcha.
Ok now I'm confused we have penyes and socios, I thought the penyes were the socios before I got to the para about the introduction of the socios, so you really need to clarify the difference between these two groups
"In Spain, about 25% of the population are said to be Barça sympathisers" - sympathisers is the wrong word, the title says supporters so why not use that?
- yeah that's completely true. Done.
I'm not sure that Goal.com is a reliable source likewise sport nation I would try to find more reputable sources than these
- There is no English equivalent for Goal.com. What do you mean by sport nation? New Nation or Sport Review? Sandman888 (talk) 10:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see other sources than goal.com used as it is not the most reliable, think you might have misunderstood what I meant, if you cannot find a better source than so be it, but it would be ideal. Forget the stuff about the other two sources they look reliable enough for GA. Also ref 25 needs an accessdate, and the journal reference needs to have its volume and issue listed NapHit (talk) 15:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Information duly noted. Sandman888 (talk) 07:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You need to format the refs from the books using cite book, last and the page for the inline citations. I have formatted the first ref in the history section as an example
- I believe that is entirely optional per WP:CITESHORT.

So it is forget this then NapHit (talk) 15:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reach section is a mess, I would just merge it all into one paragraph
- okay, done
There has to be some more information about the supporters because at the moment the article is very short, how about rivalries with other clubs, I think you definitely need to expand the reach section
- They have strong rivalry with Real Madrid, I could include something from the Boixos Nois article if appropiate.

I'm going to put the article on hold, I'll do a light copyedit but you need to address the issues I have arose, the prose is poor in places and more information would be great, for a club's of its size there must be more information on the club's supporters. I look forward to your response. NapHit (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks for taking the time to doing this GA. Sandman888 (talk) 09:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is there more you would like changed? Sandman888 (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All done now, I'll pass the article NapHit (talk) 11:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose merging Edelmira Calvetó into Supporters of FC Barcelona. Specifically, I do not believe that Calvetó as a biography subject passes WP:NBIO, unfortunately, and that media coverage of her life is best filed under human interest stories. However, there is useful content at the bio about the process of accepting women as socis that can – in a condensed and improved form – be merged to this article. Kingsif (talk) 02:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notify @Barr Theo, Onel5969, and Vicpumu: as users who have significantly edited both articles. Kingsif (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as separate article Articles about females are still under-represented. The part under legacy shows her value and notability. The Banner talk 10:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a difference between assuming notability per GNG when it appears that historical erasure of women is the reason it is hard to develop a biography, and retaining pseudo-biographies of non-notable women just to get the numbers of women's bios up. The latter should not be encouraged. Kingsif (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trolling

You call it a pseudo-biography? The Banner talk 21:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As in WP:PSEUDO. Kingsif (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence? The Banner talk 21:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you have no evidence that you have to shoot it down as trolling. Are you known with WP:NPA? The Banner talk 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PSEUDO isn't something that there can even be evidence for - while you repeating variations of "but why" instead of actually contributing is textbook trolling. If you don't understand either, let's get familiar with WP:CIR. Kingsif (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nomination. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.