Talk:Supermarket scanner moment/Archive 1
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Article title
So most of the sources are about understanding the Bush incident and not about the general concept of a "supermarket scanner moment", even though that's how it is commonly invoked today. "Supermarket scanner moment" appears to be the common name in reliable sources, based on how it's been invoked. We can discuss if others feel it's important to qualify this as "George H. W. Bush supermarket scanner moment" but personally I think the shorter title is the proper balance of the article naming criteria (reasonable concision and precision). If it would make more sense to put the bold phrase at the end of the lede to start with the Bush incident and end with the generalized term, open to that as well. czar 04:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Image
I have yet to find a White House official photo from the event, if one exists. I don't think a non-free photo would qualify for WP:NFCC#8, as there isn't textual necessity to depict a non-free version of showing Bush casually handling a checkout machine with no specific "look of wonder" on his face. The text explains that idea sufficiently. czar 05:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
GA Review
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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna (talk · contribs) 00:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hoping to get to this later today! Note: this is my first politics-related GAN, so please bear with me. 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 00:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
- Great article! Found it surprisingly interesting. I have placed this article on hold for one week and left some comments below. Please ping me once you have addressed my concerns so that I can know when to reevaluate. Thanks, 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 18:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Nice work on the changes! I am now pleased to pass this article for GA status. Congrats! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 05:35, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Copyvio check
Earwig says good to go. Quotations are used in-line with WP:COPYQUOTE.
Files
The image is relevant, high quality and copyright-free:
File:George H. W. Bush presidential portrait (cropped).jpg: valid public domain rationale.
Prose
- The lead looks to be on the shorter side and I wonder if it could perhaps be expanded at all?
- I've expanded from all the sources I found, so I consider it quite complete, but open to anything else you think it's missing
- If you have exhausted the content from all sources then that is a good sign for completeness.
- I've expanded from all the sources I found, so I consider it quite complete, but open to anything else you think it's missing
- "Pundits, broadcasters, political cartoonists" – wikilink pundits and political cartoonists.
- The third paragraph in the body reads "The New York Times defended the report" – against whom? The first mention of accusations is the White House paragraph, although this states that Sulzberger replied and admitted the story was mildly exaggerated.
- Mainly that it caused controversy and it stood by its reporting czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, I see now!
- Mainly that it caused controversy and it stood by its reporting czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- "became one of the most enduring American political myths, still alive 20 years later even after widespread refutation." – should it not read "has become one of the most enduring American political myths, still alive 20 years later even after widespread refutation." if it is still extant?
- I think of "became" as a bit more future proof that it might not always be the case, whereas "became" is correct in both scenarios czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- Fair point.
- I think of "became" as a bit more future proof that it might not always be the case, whereas "became" is correct in both scenarios czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- "the situation was an ready recipe" – should be a.
Refs
All sources used are RS. Passes spotcheck—no concerns with refs 1, 2, 5, 7 or 12. Note I decided to spotcheck all refs used more than once, although could not find access to ref 6, so randomly chose ref 12 instead.
- Is there a reason why some refs have ISSNs whilst others do not?
- The publication names of refs 10 and 11 should be wikilinked.
- Mainly just habit and it helps identify periodicals that are sometimes not online (not the case here though). Ref 6 is linked in its page number, if useful. czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Other
Templates, External links and cats good to go.
- Add WP:ALT text to the image.
- Added the alt text but just noting this isn't part of the GA criteria :)
- I think it is the least we can do for the visually impaired and our users who have images disabled on their browsers. Same for colours in tables that certain degrees of colourblindness cannot see. It helps to make Wikipedia assessable to everyone, and I low-key would want to see ALT text appear on every article one day, like short descriptions. But I do get that this is a personal choice, although adding alt text is not that difficult, and I feel like asking for its inclusion on GAs is a small but good start! Plus, I do trust that anyone nominating a GA should be relatively able to do this without much difficulty, and "refer to caption" is always a viable and valid alternative just in case.
- I generally agree but not everyone does, hence the distinguishing between the review and non-review recommendations czar 04:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up!
- I generally agree but not everyone does, hence the distinguishing between the review and non-review recommendations czar 04:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- I think it is the least we can do for the visually impaired and our users who have images disabled on their browsers. Same for colours in tables that certain degrees of colourblindness cannot see. It helps to make Wikipedia assessable to everyone, and I low-key would want to see ALT text appear on every article one day, like short descriptions. But I do get that this is a personal choice, although adding alt text is not that difficult, and I feel like asking for its inclusion on GAs is a small but good start! Plus, I do trust that anyone nominating a GA should be relatively able to do this without much difficulty, and "refer to caption" is always a viable and valid alternative just in case.
- Added the alt text but just noting this isn't part of the GA criteria :)
- Just curious—is there an appropriate navbox that could be added to this article?
- {{Infobox event}} perhaps, as a stretch but also not everything needs one! czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- I meant more in the vein of a navbox like template:George H. W. Bush etc. I am not familiar with political articles nor navboxes criteria for inclusion; I just noticed that this article is linked in said nav, so I believe it should be added here? 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 00:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, yes. I misunderstood. That should be relevant enough. Done! czar 04:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Great!
- Ah, yes. I misunderstood. That should be relevant enough. Done! czar 04:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- I meant more in the vein of a navbox like template:George H. W. Bush etc. I am not familiar with political articles nor navboxes criteria for inclusion; I just noticed that this article is linked in said nav, so I believe it should be added here? 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 00:19, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- {{Infobox event}} perhaps, as a stretch but also not everything needs one! czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Reply
Thanks for the review, @LunaEatsTuna! I've addressed everything above, for when you have a moment. czar 23:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Oz's crudité
- Prose, J.D. (August 18, 2022). "Oz's crudité video just the start of a bad week so far as Fetterman amps up trolling". The Patriot-News. Retrieved August 21, 2022.
I believe this contains a mention/some discussion but it's paywalled, so leaving here for now. czar 05:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
- Looking at a copy, appears that this doesn't mention it after all czar 20:13, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Trump
Donald Trump has had some moments, including when he claimed Americans need an ID to buy groceries: [1]. Thriley (talk) 06:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Balance the coverage, please
While the incidents themselves are covered neutrally, covering only Republican gaffes and no gaffes from any other political party (American or otherwise) gives this article a distinct partisan lean. To that end, here's some coverage of "out-of-touch" gaffes involving prominent Democrat leaders that could be covered in the article to balance it:
- Barack Obama "Arugula-gate":
- Nancy Pelosi's ice cream freezer:
- The Daily Dot: [5]
- The NY Post: [6]
- New Deal Strategies, Justice Democrats, Sunrise Movement, Data for Progress: [7] (This link is a memorandum from several Democrat-aligned special interest groups that alludes to the incident as having a negative effect on voters without naming Pelosi specifically.)
Similar incidents from other nations could also be covered. And I'm surprised there's not a link to "Let them eat cake" [8], the ultimate expression of "out-of-touch elitism". 97.102.30.205 (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
- It is an article about a type or touchstone of out-of-touch elitism but surely isn't a catalog of all out-of-touch elitism. The examples in the article were directly compared to Bush's event. If reliable sources compare the events you mentioned to Bush's event then they could warrant inclusion as well. czar 00:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)