Talk:Sunan al-Tirmidhi

Dividing the Sunan books into Sahih and Da'if

From http://www.amislam.com/sunnah.htm

(r) The heretic statement (2:1025): "In the present age Shaykh Nasir al-Din al-Albani has done a very remarkable work in this field [hadith]. He has separated the weak ahadith found in the four famous volumes of ahadith (Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, al-Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah) from the authentic and prepared separate volumes of authentic and weak ahadith. This work of Albani has made it easy for the ordinary Ulema to identify the weak ahadith. Only a man of Shaykh Albani's caliber can do research on it. The ordinary Ulema and religious scholars of the Muslims are heavily indebted to him for this great work and they should keep it in view before mentioning any hadith. They should mention only the authentic ahadith and refrain from quoting the weak ones [meaning those classified as "authentic" and "weak" by al-Albani himself]. It is wrong to ignore this work on the ground that Shaykh al-Albani is not the last word on the subject.... As Muhaddithun have done a great service to the Muslim Umma by collecting and compiling the ahadith, similarly in the style of Muhaddithun, and in keeping with the principles laid down by them, the research carried out to separate the authentic ahadith from the weak is in fact an effort to complete their mission. In this age, Almighty Allah has bestowed this honor on Shaykh al-Albani", and we seek refuge by Allah, Who majestically transcends what those "commentators" conceive about Him. All this fawning will not hide the facts that al-Albani has been repeatedly warned against his tens of kufriyyat, and exposed as the innovator of this age par excellence and that his splitting of the books of Sunan into Sahih al-Tirmidhi and Da`if al-Tirmidhi and so forth is an unprecedented attack on the Motherbooks of Islam for which, undoubtedly, he shall be brought to account on the Day of Judgment as he was rejected for it by the Ulema of the Umma from East to West.

--Striver 15:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

While dividing the Four Sunan Books into two sections, Sahih and Da'if, serves no apparent purpose - unless you consider Al-Albani's reasoning of accessiblity acceptable - to the extent that one of his own students, Mashhoor Hasan, returned them to their original order, preserving his assessment for each hadith. That being said, it seems an exageration to say such a work is unprecedented. First, you have several books of takhreej doing the same sort of evaluation of hadith - from the Sunan books and otherwise - books such as, al-Badr al-Munir and Nasb al-Rayah. In addition Ibn Hajr al-'Asqalani authored a book, Zawa'id al-Kutab al-Arba' mima huwa Sahih, The additional hadith mentioned in the Four Books not found in the Bukhari and Muslim which are authentic. Al-Kattani mentioned this book in Fahras al-Faharis vol. 1, pg. 336. Supertouch (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Content issues

From http://al-islam.org/tahrif/cityofknowledge/index.htm

The well-known and reliable hadith of the Prophet - "I am the city of knowledge and 'Ali is its gate" is not present in the current editions of the Sahih (alternatively called Jami` or Sunan) of al-Tirmidhi (d. 279 AH). This book is one of the Sihah Sittah or Six Authentic hadith books for the Ahl al-Sunnah.

This case study will investigate the allegation that this hadith was included by al-Tirmidhi and used to be in his Sahih till it mysteriously disappeared at some stage in history.

Important: The purpose of this discussion is not to prove the reliability of the hadith. That has already been shown in several detailed works. For example, see the three volumes 10, 11 and 12 of Nafahat al-Azhar fi Khulasat 'Abaqat al-Anwar dedicated to this hadith that show its tawatur. Therefore, for the purpose of this discussion, adverse comments on the strength of the hadith by some of the scholars below will be ignored.

--Striver 00:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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"at" or "al"

The page is titled Jami' al-Tirmidhi, but the lead paragraph uses Jami' at-Tirmidhi. Which is correct? or if both, can this be clarified Zeimusu | Talk page 18:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)