Talk:Sun Tea (30 Rock)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Beloved Freak 18:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
Some small issues detailed below, mostly for clarity
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Sources are fine, external links point where they should.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Neutral and balanced
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
No problems here
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
1 free image used, appropriately licensed
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Prose/MoS

Plot

Is it necessary to say that Brian is gay? It doesn't seem relevant to the plot (at lest, as detailed here). Presumably the fact that he is a police officer is relevant to the plot about Liz trying to kick him out?
- Removed. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 20:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as this plot line goes, it's a little unclear. I'm not sure you should use the phrase "kick out" because that kind of implies that she has some authority to evict him, whereas I presume from reading this, that she has no authority but is just trying to make him leave. ("Kick out"'s also a little informal). I'm not clear on why she wants to get rid of him; does shy buy the apartment and then want him out of her new apartment (which makes the "kicking out" make more sense) or does she want him gone to enable her to buy the apartment? And why will she be thrown out if she doesn't buy the one above her? (This may be a cross-cultural misunderstanding because I don't really get the whole condo-apartment distinction, but I think it needs clarifying a bit.) Also, how does peeing in bottles help? Does she show/tell Brian about it? And lastly, does it work? Does he move out? That would be nice to know.
- This is what happens in the beginning of the episode. Liz enters her apartment and sees a realtor lady show the apartment to someone. The realtor tells Liz that the building will be turned into a condo, and if she doesn't buy the apartment above her or refuses to leave, her rent will go up. So, she goes to Brian, the owner of the apartment from above, to bribe him out, but that doesn't work, so the two move in together, and Liz plans to act crazy in front of Brian, to drive him out of the apartment, but that doesn't work either. After realizing that her plans of trying to get that apartment, Liz sees Frank "filling up his 'sun tea' jars from the communal water cooler", which later that night at the apartment Liz "is filling up on fluid and crossing her legs like an about-to-burst first grader. She hears the door opening and starts to unzip her pants. Brian comes in and beholds the unholy sight with a look that can only be described as horror. The next morning, she runs jubilantly into the studio, announcing that she got the apartment.[1]
  - Ok, here's what I think (I'll put it here instead of in the article so you can make your mid up about it):
    - Liz Lemon (Tina Fey) learns that her apartment building is being converted into a condominium and is told that she must purchase her apartment or face a rent increase. She decides that she wants to buy her apartment and the one above her, and turn them into her dream home. When she learns that her neighbor, Brian (Nate Corddry), will not be bribed out of his apartment, she agrees to move in with him, seemingly to save money, hoping to drive him out with her behavior. At work, Liz is disgusted by her staff writer, Frank Rossitano (Judah Friedlander), peeing in bottles to stop global warming. However, she decides to adopt this behavior to force Brian to leave; she is successful.
  - Or something to that effect. I'm still a little unclear on whether she was just buying one, or both, so you could play around with it a bit. For what is such a short recap, I don't think you even need to say that he's a policeman since you're not actually describing the point where she finds that out. What do you think?--BelovedFreak 22:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Has been added, and maybe this will help you ---> "The main storyline started with Liz learning that her apartment building was going condo and she'd either need to pay up or move out. After consulting with Jack, she tried to bribe the renter above her so she'd be able to own both apartments and eventually make them one big apartment. This somehow evolved into Liz moving into the upstairs apartment with the intent to drive the original tenant out.[2] -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 15:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Production

"In a flashback of this episode..." - does this mean a flashback within this episode (Sun Tea) to something else? Or a flashback in another episode, to this episode?
- Removed, kinda didn't make sense in the Production section.
"In "Sun Tea", "Dot Com" Slattery (Kevin Brown) pretended to be Mike Dexter, Liz's "crazy black boyfriend", after she planned to get Brian out of his apartment with Dot Com's help, as Liz's apartment building was being converted into a condominium, but her plan backfired" - this is a bit of a long, unwieldy sentence. Could it be cut down or divided at all?
- How 'bout now?
  - I tweaked it a bit more; see what you think. I actually removed the bit about the plan backfiring because it didn't seem necessary. Feel free to add back if you disagree.--BelovedFreak 21:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - I got no problem with it. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 22:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural references

"In one scene of "Sun Tea", Jack Donaghy reveals that Don Geiss's son, Bertrude, is suing her half-sister, Kathy..." - who does her refer to? Is one of Jack, Don or Bertrude female?
- That's my mistake, and fixed.
Unless this is specific to US, I don't think people are generally "on anesthesia"; perhaps "under anesthetic" or "while anesthetized". (2 instances of this)
- Used one of your suggestions, though, not sure if it make sense.
"The ending, in which Al Gore says "Quiet! A whale is in trouble. I have to go!"..." - I don't really get the relevance of this (or the mention in the plot) and I read the article at Greenzo, and am none the wiser. That doesn't seem to mention a whale. I don't think you should remove it, but could you make the connection to the earlier episode a little clearer?
- Gore said this line in "Greenzo", and said the same exact line in "Sun Tea", hence what he meant with "recycling jokes".[3]
  - I've reworded this slightly to make it clearer, can you check that it's still correct?--BelovedFreak 21:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Reads fine. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 22:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just a bit of prose to sort, I'll place the article on hold so that you can address the issues.--Beloved Freak 19:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 20:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, everything looks fine and I'm happy to list this as a GA; well done!--Beloved Freak 17:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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